Phantom avy info? 04/06/11

The Mountaineering community publishes a book each year detailing climbing accidents. Victims and rescuers are not required to contribute, but many do to benefit the community.

Reading through incidents is a useful tool as a individual to learn from other peoples' mistakes and also see patterns which may indicate a need to modify SOPs.

REMINDER: none of them involved owes anyone any kind of account. The sideline reporting and armchair QBing is completely out of hand. The expectation you need to be "told" about it is completley ridiculous.

I'm not sure anyone here "expects"...
Most have been pretty polite about encouraging an account if Marcus feels so inclined.

As far I am concerned, an accurately accounted history can be a good thing as it has the potential to help us from repeating it. The knowledge we stand to gain might help us in the future in our evaluation of conditions, terrain and etc. We are still responsible for our own good judgement and actions, and the outcome of these assessments.

That said, this is up to Marcus and or other members of his crew that day.
Either way, the choice to post is in their hands and I agree with the thought that they are not obligated to anyone.

I'm not sure anyone here "expects"...

I beg to differ. Hit "ALL", start at the top, read each post and you will see there is a clear expectation for personal accountability in his decision to ski.

Hmm, regarding the expectation that there will be a detailed report, when I followed your instructions and scanned the entire thread just now, all I see is folks responding to Marcus' first post on the thread where he wrote:

Much more detail to follow.

Plus a few posts with armchair quarterbacking, which is a separarate issue that seems to have died down.

I think it frustrates us all to see knowledgable and professional friends caught in these situations but I believe it is only fair to be patient enough to let them have their say before castigating them.

Amen to that brother. No need to make a stew out of a bunch of hear say and conjecture.

Glad everyone made it out safely despite a few being broken. Here's hoping the broken mend quickly and are able to return soon to the sport we all love.

While many are looking for the answers to how this incident evolved and the details, none are owed or expected to me. When these events happen to experienced backcountry travelers it is usually due to the intersection of confidence, desire, complacency, and sometimes "bad luck". Those who stand to gain the most are the individuals involved.