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Avy Probe ready to go?
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14 years 11 months ago #198645
by rnbfish
Replied by rnbfish on topic Re: Avy Probe ready to go?
hi joe
i just carry my probes in an outside pocket of my ski pack.. that said, the probe is designed to be used as a follow up to tracking a beacon signal.
yes this is a different situation... probing tree wells.. and it really sucks to have to do it and i am aware of the hours that you & others have invested in the search... we have to take away from this hard lesson ( and other recent events) what we can ... i will be turning my beacon on in bounds now too.
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rob
i just carry my probes in an outside pocket of my ski pack.. that said, the probe is designed to be used as a follow up to tracking a beacon signal.
yes this is a different situation... probing tree wells.. and it really sucks to have to do it and i am aware of the hours that you & others have invested in the search... we have to take away from this hard lesson ( and other recent events) what we can ... i will be turning my beacon on in bounds now too.
best
rob
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14 years 11 months ago #198646
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I've heard that about you.....
KIDDING. Sorry, couldn't resist.
No [probe] sack is good. Why bother with the damn thing. The faster we're ready to search the better. God forbid.
Replied by oftpiste on topic Re: Avy Probe ready to go?
I'm a "no sack" guy too.
I've heard that about you.....
KIDDING. Sorry, couldn't resist.
No [probe] sack is good. Why bother with the damn thing. The faster we're ready to search the better. God forbid.
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14 years 11 months ago #198589
by Jim Oker
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This is a good reminder to practice with all the gear. I've had no problem with my probe being in the sack, but I don't have a closure cord on the end of the sack to get things hung up on - it's really more of just a sleeve I guess, and it just keeps things a bit more tidy in the shovel pocket.
It's also good to see how fast you can dig out something like a daypack that's been buried 3-ish feet deep on a typical ski-pitch slope, and to try doing it with a few people to get used to not whacking each other in the face with the shovel and so forth.
It's also interesting to try doing a group drill where one person takes charge and assigns roles etc. as you would need to do in order to have an orderly search and recovery in a real situation with a group.
So many little ways to have things be slowed down...
It's also good to see how fast you can dig out something like a daypack that's been buried 3-ish feet deep on a typical ski-pitch slope, and to try doing it with a few people to get used to not whacking each other in the face with the shovel and so forth.
It's also interesting to try doing a group drill where one person takes charge and assigns roles etc. as you would need to do in order to have an orderly search and recovery in a real situation with a group.
So many little ways to have things be slowed down...
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14 years 11 months ago #198649
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I forgot to mention that the feel of the probe hitting subsurface objects like branches, ice and other firmer but penetrable layers took some time to identify too. It was especially good practice to get the feel of what is down there. I offered to bury my search partner so I could get a good grasp of the feeling of a probe hitting a human, but he declined the offer. I seemed to spend a long time on things that ended up busting through eventually.
As we broke into groups (0f sometimes up to 8 persons) to search there was always a leader assigned. I have read about this all the time, and thought about it too, but until it is put into practice it can be slightly awkward at first. I found as time went on and I became the leader of groups it was easier to have a vision of what needed to be done to expedite a search with the max/min amount of separation and good communication between partners. Now, God forbid I can imagine what it takes to become useful and proactive if a member of our ski outing gets buried or disappears. I need to teach that to other members whom I tour with so we all have a game plan that is similar.
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This is a good reminder to practice with all the gear.
It's also interesting to try doing a group drill where one person takes charge and assigns roles etc. as you would need to do in order to have an orderly search and recovery in a real situation with a group.
So many little ways to have things be slowed down...
I forgot to mention that the feel of the probe hitting subsurface objects like branches, ice and other firmer but penetrable layers took some time to identify too. It was especially good practice to get the feel of what is down there. I offered to bury my search partner so I could get a good grasp of the feeling of a probe hitting a human, but he declined the offer. I seemed to spend a long time on things that ended up busting through eventually.
As we broke into groups (0f sometimes up to 8 persons) to search there was always a leader assigned. I have read about this all the time, and thought about it too, but until it is put into practice it can be slightly awkward at first. I found as time went on and I became the leader of groups it was easier to have a vision of what needed to be done to expedite a search with the max/min amount of separation and good communication between partners. Now, God forbid I can imagine what it takes to become useful and proactive if a member of our ski outing gets buried or disappears. I need to teach that to other members whom I tour with so we all have a game plan that is similar.
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