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15 years 3 months ago - 15 years 3 months ago #194525 by Joedabaker
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Take a look at your lug soles on the Quadrants when you click into your dynafits. I noticed that the lug sole rubber makes contact with the Dynafit toe piece slightly behind the toe holes. Causing unnecessary pressure on the binding and slight rocker on the boot. I ground out about over 1/8 inch so it would clear the front toepiece. Also the toe design on the boot is just slightly wider than the pincers on a Dynafit binding  ???. Making it a little difficult to click in to the toe compared to Dynafit,  Scarpa or Garmont brands that round the toe area more lateral clearance of the pincers. I'm going to have to get the dremmel out and do some work on that, so that adds to the pain in the ass factor that BD will need to remedy. Not good BD what were you thinking  ??? :-[

These factors can possibly make for dynafiddling around in the softer snow trying to compress the toe into the toepiece. And having to flounder around a bit.
This could help Scotsman catch me and take "my precious" powder.

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15 years 3 months ago #194535 by climberdave
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I see what you mean about the extra boot rubber making contact with the toe piece.  It seems as if there is a notch built in to the sole to account for this, but it isn't quite enough.  Anyhow, the amount that is touching is minimal and for now I'm not going to sweat it (after a few hikes that little bit of rubber should be long gone ::)).   

I don't see what you mean about the toe piece being to wide.  I can step into the binding just fine and with my handy-dandy sharpie indicator marks, the toe piece engages quite easily with out any binding (no pun intended) or mishaps. 

Also, I've discovered that if you completely unbuckle the second buckle (or just sit it in the first notch) you can get the +20/-20deg walk mode BD calms for the boots. 

The last boots that I bought in 28 was a pair Scarpa Sprit 4's.  After about a season the liners had packed out so much that I was starting to wear extra thick socks and buckling them way too much.
The Quadrants seem to have just enough width in 27.5 to be sporty, yet not so much as to turn to mush later on.  If these liners don't work out I'll switch back to an intuition liner.

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15 years 3 months ago #194538 by Joedabaker
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I guess the amount of pressure from the rubber sole will vary from model to model.
The pressure on mine looked to put some stress on the toe binding system. Like you said I could wait for it to wear in, but in my case it could damage the binding.

I can get into and out out of my setup too, when it's on a firm carpet in my house. But it has a clunky initiation to step in, that needs additional pressure that in my experience leads to tourettes syndrome in the backcountry.   
I'll let you be the judge.
Compare the BD Quadrant to the Scarpa TX-Pro Dynafit toe set up.
As you can see the pincers in the Quadrant Pic don't clear the plastic.
While the Scarpa sit just fine, almost in the slots already.

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15 years 3 months ago #194542 by climberdave
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I see what you mean. I took a look and it seems as if the extra height is from the sole rubber resting on the springs before you engage the binding. A little dremeling would do the trick. :D

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15 years 3 months ago #194552 by Joedabaker
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What I see on my set up and the picture illustrates that the Dynafit Pincers are temporarily forced to open wider than their set distance. Unless I choose to do the pincer in one hole and rotate back to click the other in trick which is a pain in the a... The (pincers) are set narrower than the plastic, so they have to scrape a touch of rubber, then up a plastic sidewall before it can engage in the holes. That is the clunk. So just shaving rubber off the bottom or sides is not a real solution IMO. It kind of blows me away that there could be this oversight. Maybe the manufacture missed on the design and BD said what the heck well we'll ship it anyway. I think the pincers on a Dynafit toe piece are a set standard width when opened? If this is their dedicated, granola eating touring model boot, I'm not completely sure why BD designers would not make it easier to access the holes on the boot compared to competition? There must be an explanation?

I call BS on the response BD had about making the boot liner designed for a tighter fit in the toes and it could be blown out. They have that all wrong. If this is a boot designed as the efficient series with touring in mind. Lets have a show of hands of all the hardcore tour skiers that like a tight fitting toebox. What nobody??? Most anyone that does not want bluetoes has a reasonable amount of room in the toebox. Plus the plastic toebox of the Quadrant is HUGE, so why cater to the few rather than the majority? Something is rotten in Denmark?

I don't mean to take the fizz out of anyones beer. But, Just because I bought something does not mean I need to defend it. It just has a couple quirks that need to be worked on by BD.

I do think that the boot will ski great and tour like a charm. As Dave said a new liner may be in the near future. I like the way it locks into the forward lean and the boot responds without a any flex in the lower boot even in a warm room.

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15 years 3 months ago #194555 by climberdave
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I think it's your boots Joe; mine are just fine in the width of the dynafit inserts and nothing rubs as I step down (I actually have about a mm of room).  The boot sole does rest on my binding where the springs come together, but if I removed about 1-2mm of rubber my boots would look like your Scarpa pic with the pincer resting in the insert.

My liners punched out nicely and they are night and day from my 27.5 Methods liners that never molded out enough to be pain free.  They are still tight, but nothing close to when I was in the store debating between the 27.5 and 28's

So far I'm a happy camper  :D

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