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15 years 4 months ago #194179 by Kneel Turner
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Joe,
My impression was that the Seeker is just as, or more stiff than my 3 buckle black/gray T1's.  This is not to say that the T1 is not a high quality boot.   They ski great, but I got tired of trying to make them fit my feet (BD's fit great out of the box).
To me, the Scarpa's bellows feels smoother, and the BD feels like it has more leverage (comparing like models).
I find your boot choice/setup interesting:
I skied some older pre-moldable T2's in walk mode for years (now referred to as my "tele slippers"), and when I switched to the T1's I had a realization of the difference between skiing from my ankles and skiing from the front of the boot cuff (more powerful).
As expected, switching to a bigger boot took a little getting used to, but angulating from the boot cuff made the skis more stable underneath me, they tracked parallel much better, and a "bigger" boot allows me to ski more from the hips than from the ankles (less fatigue/more powerful muscles).
Like I mentioned, a more skilled skier (you) can drive more ski with less boot, but if you find any of this intriguing, ... What if a skilled skier like you committed to adjusting to the way of a big boot?...

I think the reason for the fourth buckle is significantly driven by marketing.

And yes, I think the Customs have significantly more leverage than the T1's in the bellows.  (In order to keep up with Scotsman, I have to make up for my lack of skill, right?)

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15 years 4 months ago #194182 by davidG
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For me, going from T2s to T1s was huge.  I finally felt that, for better or worse, I was in control of events, and while I may still thrash around, that boot power was not the limiting factor.  interestingly I also now ski more neutrally balanced, perhaps because I don't need to loadup the cuff as much to know where the ski is, or perhaps it's just a few more years of experience..  With that thought in mind I think the T2s are too little of a boot (especially if the 2 buckle) for Chamois' crossbows.  I see the choice as whether the day is about meadow skipping or about the down.  That, and fit - who makes the shape that fits your foot.

Joe, as you often do, you've made me get off my mental couch.  the thing about tele boots (as opposed to AT boots) is we ask them to flex in two places.  I've watched my 2 buckle boots 'pooch' out when flexed forward and it seems reasonable to me to have 2 buckles on the forefoot to keep the footbox stable in shape.  Even the 'ankle' buckle can be useful to maintain shape and smooth flexing of the cuff as long as it's not too high.  I'm thinking that the careful use of multiple density/characteristic plastics is an important consideration for this.

About the Spademarks.  I'm wondering how they'd do on an NTN shoe?

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15 years 4 months ago #194184 by md2020
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bite the bullet and switch to NTN. I'll bet a pair of TX or TX pros will save you 1.5 lbs compared to the BD Push, and the NTN binding weights aren't much heavier than other popular free pivot bindings. I've gone from T3s to T2s to T1s to TXs and now I've picked up a pair of TX pros. The TXs are by far the most comfortable ski boot I've tried. What didn't you like about the T2 ecos?

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15 years 4 months ago #194185 by Marcus
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I've had my 3 buckle T2s for 6 or 7 years.  They're bedroom slipper soft by now and when I picked up a pair of black & grey T1s a couple of years ago I yardsaled all over the place for a day or two until I figured out what I needed to adjust in my stance.  As kneel says, it was all about thinking more about the cuff and less about the ankle.

The T1s offered a huge leap in control and power and I love skiing them, but they're a lot more boot than I need for most backcountry trips.  I use them as an inbounds boot primarily, where pounding moguls and cutting through chopped up powder is more the norm.  

The touring comfort of the T2s (shin-bang and ankle flexibility being the big differences) makes them my bc choice and I've yet to find myself in need of the extra power, though I do have to focus a bit more and can't get sloppy when I'm tired, or the softer boots will make me pay for it.

My T2s are trashed, but the T1s have several years on them.  I'd like to demo the NTNs this year, but until they improve their tour mode and lighten up the binding, I'm probably not going to drop the cash on them.  

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And of course md2020 shoots some holes in my anti-NTN-purchase program...  dammit.  I really don't need the temptation!

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15 years 4 months ago #194186 by davidG
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....And of course md2020 shoots some holes in my anti-NTN-purchase program...  dammit.  I really don't need the temptation!


relax, there probably isn't a better all around shoe for the skilled bc artist than a 3 buckle T2.   Unless you bought in to a pair of Scotsmans' tobaggans...    ;D

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15 years 4 months ago #194187 by Marcus
Replied by Marcus on topic Re: Tele boot suggestions
Heh -- yeah, it's the gear-junky in me that's the problem. I need to do some surgery on my T2s so they'll last me another year or two.

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