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Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
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16 years 1 month ago #189598
by powtothepeople
Replied by powtothepeople on topic Re: Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
There are new signs along the traverse to Source Lake at Alpental now. Spoke with patrol and sounds like the FS is working to establish another track to avoid downhill traffic. Probably a good idea to set a seperate uphill along there, I know coming down that thing on a pow day the last thing I want to do is play chicken (not that I haven't been guilty before).
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16 years 1 month ago #189600
by Team Wally
Replied by Team Wally on topic Re: Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
I had to do a little diligence and inquiring on this topic. Seems like it's not a liability issue per se, rather a safety/theft of services issue. The concept that resorts are responsible for collisions/injuries has been debated in court over and over (anyone remember the terrain park suit at the Summit). There is no doubt that resorts want to minimize their liability, (and rightfully so) The purchase of a ticket is an agreement that skiing and boarding can be dangerous and an agreement to hold the resort harmless. Inbounds resort touring access provides a nice groomer to skin on the way up as well as the same on the way down, and use of restrooms and other infrastructure to boot. I find the argument of Public Free Access in a resort environment to be somewhat ludicrous. Someone is paying for that parking lot and groomed snow. Stevens like many other resorts looked to minimize theft of services, hence the adoption of RFID passes. Alta has installed RFID scanners at most mid mountain lifts for exactly this reason. Not saying that all skinners/ shoers would "earn" their way to the first available (uncontrolled) lift but it does happen. Crystal has had a concern with skinners heading up well before lifts open while Patrol is still dealing with explosives. Think up tracking Kellys gap and passing under Rock Face, think Lucky Shot under Powder Bowl with patrolers throwing explosives from the top. Both of these scenarios have occurred this year. I personally would like to think that backcountry skiers and riders are a little more savvy and risk adverse compared to the general skiing public. Unfortunately that is not always the case. I am not in favor of acts of civil disobedience to try and resolve this issue. I do endorse the concept of community action and education to mitigate the impact of resort touring. The fact that this issue has cropped up in NW should be a motivator to ski safely whether trekking up or down and to share information in a cooperative fashion. I firmly believe that ski area management has far more important issues to address than hasseling touring types, the fact that this HAS cropped up should indicate the perceived importance. On a side note Whistler has added a one ride backcountry pass to their ticket menu which allows the holder one trip to the top per day. Simply show up with beacon, shovel etc and purchase the pass. Good day to ski, be well.
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16 years 1 month ago #189601
by OldHouseMan
Replied by OldHouseMan on topic Re: Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
I really don't care if the ski areas allow up hill travel or not. For me, bc skiing is more about the solitude and getting away from the hords of people in everyday life. Ski areas don't get me there.
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16 years 1 month ago #189602
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So taking your argument to it's ultimate conclusion, it should be OK to take a snowmobile up since snowmobiles are allowed on some public land..... right.?
I have no problem with skiiner who keep to the sides and give downhill skiers the right of way but I saw some idoiots march right up the middle of a groomer and act indignant at the skiers that where carving around them. IDIOTS.
Replied by Scotsman on topic Re: Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
I feel that if any public land is open for recreational use, the non paying public should have open access. Of course this doesn't mean they should be able to use the facilities(lifts, lodges, bathrooms etc.) operated by the lease concession.
So taking your argument to it's ultimate conclusion, it should be OK to take a snowmobile up since snowmobiles are allowed on some public land..... right.?
I have no problem with skiiner who keep to the sides and give downhill skiers the right of way but I saw some idoiots march right up the middle of a groomer and act indignant at the skiers that where carving around them. IDIOTS.
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16 years 1 month ago #189603
by Robie
Replied by Robie on topic Re: Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
Big, Big kudos to Crystal for letting us skin up through the resort to silver basin ,big kudos to those who stay way off to the side and diverge from downhill run once pass Quicksilver. Been doing it for years,why would anyone want to be skinning up in the middle of run ? Checking in with Crystal ski patrol is always a good idea and often helpful to not only to avoid avy and avy control but also get tips on where the best skiing might be . Common sense
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16 years 1 month ago - 16 years 1 month ago #189604
by mtneer ordinaire
Last Friday, on Stevens intermediate Showcase run, two snowshoers hiked directly up its center during the peak afternoon period. IDIOTS + 2.
Replied by mtneer ordinaire on topic Re: Uphill traffic at Stevens Pass Ski Area
I saw some idoiots march right up the middle of a groomer. IDIOTS.
Last Friday, on Stevens intermediate Showcase run, two snowshoers hiked directly up its center during the peak afternoon period. IDIOTS + 2.
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