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Remounting bindings in the same screw hole?
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17 years 5 days ago #185945
by ira
Remounting bindings in the same screw hole? was created by ira
I recently had some skis mounted with Fritschi Freerides and when I picked up the skis noticed the shop had mounted explorers on them. Apparently they mounted my bindings on another customers skis and their bindings on mine. From what I can tell the screw pattern seems to be the same between the two bindings. I called a few different shops today and they all agreed that there is some risk of the bindings pulling out by mounting in the same screw holes. How true is this and what should I ask the shop to do to remedy the situation?
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17 years 5 days ago #185947
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Replied by juan on topic Re: Remounting bindings in the same screw hole?
that's a free pair of skis.
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17 years 4 days ago - 17 years 4 days ago #185950
by Joedabaker
Replied by Joedabaker on topic Re: Remounting bindings in the same screw hole?
I thought the screw pattern for the Explorers are slightly different than the Freerides?
Depending on the year-The 2006 Explore model has a slight manufacturing variation in the front/back spacing of the front screw holes (about 1/2 millimeter).
As far as putting screws back in, the shop should take care of you since they messed up.
In general term for those out there wondering:
FOR ME-It is OK to put screws back in, I do it all the time, but I epoxy them no matter what.
If one is really is nervous about stripping screws in the hole. I place epoxy in the hole and tap in a wood dowel cutting off the dowel level with the top sheet (chopstick end works great). Then redrill the hole directly in the center of the dowel with a 3.6X9mm drill bit used for non-metal (wood) skis. Since there is ALREADY a hole there, the smaller drill bit and ensuing hole insures more bite to the threads on the re-drill. This can be done with plastic plugs also. Plastic plugs and wood plug, drill bits can all be purchased at Tognar.com.
If you need to remove the screws that are epoxied. I use a high intensity heat gun to heat the metal parts and take care not to melt the plastic parts. This heats the metal parts including the screws that warm the glue making the epoxied screws easier to extract without damaging the skis. A soldering iron works as well, but I find the heat gun to be more effective if one uses common sense.
Depending on the year-The 2006 Explore model has a slight manufacturing variation in the front/back spacing of the front screw holes (about 1/2 millimeter).
As far as putting screws back in, the shop should take care of you since they messed up.
In general term for those out there wondering:
FOR ME-It is OK to put screws back in, I do it all the time, but I epoxy them no matter what.
If one is really is nervous about stripping screws in the hole. I place epoxy in the hole and tap in a wood dowel cutting off the dowel level with the top sheet (chopstick end works great). Then redrill the hole directly in the center of the dowel with a 3.6X9mm drill bit used for non-metal (wood) skis. Since there is ALREADY a hole there, the smaller drill bit and ensuing hole insures more bite to the threads on the re-drill. This can be done with plastic plugs also. Plastic plugs and wood plug, drill bits can all be purchased at Tognar.com.
If you need to remove the screws that are epoxied. I use a high intensity heat gun to heat the metal parts and take care not to melt the plastic parts. This heats the metal parts including the screws that warm the glue making the epoxied screws easier to extract without damaging the skis. A soldering iron works as well, but I find the heat gun to be more effective if one uses common sense.
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17 years 4 days ago #185955
by juan
Replied by juan on topic Re: Remounting bindings in the same screw hole?
just to clarify, i agree with what joe says. i have no problem filling old screw holes on my skis and mounting a centimeter or two forward or back OR even remount in the same holes using epoxy.
however, every time you do this it takes a little life off your remounting abilities, and to have a shop do this in my mind is inexcusable.
however, every time you do this it takes a little life off your remounting abilities, and to have a shop do this in my mind is inexcusable.
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17 years 4 days ago #185956
by Pete_H
Replied by Pete_H on topic Re: Remounting bindings in the same screw hole?
Freerides and explorers have the same hole pattern. There is actually one extra hole in the freeride plus, so more drilling shouldn't be an issue. They should have explained this to you, but I don't think this would warrant a new pair of skiis. Were they new freerides? Did you buy them there?
You shouldn't be worried about it being remounted, sometimes with light wood skis it is often the case that the screw strips the ski very easily, if it were my skiis, and a screw was spinning, I would epoxy a plastic heli coil in the hole, and wouldn't worry about the binding ever coming out. But, they probably aren't stripped yet.
You shouldn't be worried about it being remounted, sometimes with light wood skis it is often the case that the screw strips the ski very easily, if it were my skiis, and a screw was spinning, I would epoxy a plastic heli coil in the hole, and wouldn't worry about the binding ever coming out. But, they probably aren't stripped yet.
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17 years 4 days ago #185960
by Joedabaker
Agreed-
I stripped two screws hand tightening skis with titanium topsheets and soft wood core.
I tapped the skis before putting in the screws, so it was a real mystery. And hand tightening...really I'm not that burly. I considered the heli-coil, but the screw location was not that critical to the load, so I decided to use the method I described above filling the hole with a dowel/epoxy and re-drilling the same hole with a smaller bit. With a heli-coil you need to drill an even bigger hole to seat the heli-coil, but they are bomber as Pete-H suggests.
Replied by Joedabaker on topic Re: Remounting bindings in the same screw hole?
You shouldn't be worried about it being remounted, sometimes with light wood skis it is often the case that the screw strips the ski very easily, if it were my skiis, and a screw was spinning, I would epoxy a plastic heli coil in the hole, and wouldn't worry about the binding ever coming out. But, they probably aren't stripped yet.
Agreed-
I stripped two screws hand tightening skis with titanium topsheets and soft wood core.
I tapped the skis before putting in the screws, so it was a real mystery. And hand tightening...really I'm not that burly. I considered the heli-coil, but the screw location was not that critical to the load, so I decided to use the method I described above filling the hole with a dowel/epoxy and re-drilling the same hole with a smaller bit. With a heli-coil you need to drill an even bigger hole to seat the heli-coil, but they are bomber as Pete-H suggests.
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