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- savegondor
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Access debates aside, why would anyone be skiing Alpental this weekend? So while the following report does not categorically rule out skiing as wise as it did when those two people died, did skiers dig their pits this weekend? I'd be interested to know.
OLYMPICS, WASHINGTON CASCADES NEAR AND WEST OF THE CREST
FROM MT RAINIER NORTHWARD-
...AVALANCHE WATCH FOR SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND NIGHT...
Considerable avalanche danger above 4 to 5000 feet and
moderate below slowly increasing on Saturday and becoming
high above 5 to 6000 feet, considerable from 4 to 5000
feet and moderate below 4000 feet late Saturday, except
locally considerable on smooth, wind loaded terrain below
4000 feet. Greatest danger developing on northeast
through southeast exposures mid-late Saturday. Avalanche
danger slowly increasing early Sunday and substantially
increasing mid-late Sunday, becoming high above 4 to 5000
feet and considerable below.
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- Pete A
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it seems to me that you are jumping to the conclusion that every slope in and around Alpental is steep enough to slide.
Granted there are plenty of areas in Alpental (such as International and the 'shots' under the cliffs) that are certainly in the upper 30's to low 40 degree range and very slide prone, but theres also plenty of stuff around Alpy (and all sorts of other places) that are far removed from starting zones and well below the prime angles for slides.
With careful terrain selection and regular checking of the snowpack that is actually under your feet, it is possible to safely go put-put around the backcountry without having a deathwish on a considerable/high avy day.
just my two cents....
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- savegondor
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i'm going to assume that you want a constructive answer and this is not a troll....
it seems to me that you are jumping to the conclusion that every slope in and around Alpental is steep enough to slide.
Granted there are plenty of areas in Alpental (such as International and the 'shots' under the cliffs) that are certainly in the upper 30's to low 40 degree range and very slide prone, but theres also plenty of stuff around Alpy (and all sorts of other places) that are far removed from starting zones and well below the prime angles for slides.
With careful terrain selection and regular checking of the snowpack that is actually under your feet, it is possible to safely go put-put around the backcountry without having a deathwish on a considerable/high avy day.
just my two cents....
I agree. Can be good to get out on the flat stuff. Did you check what was under your feet?
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As for avys, windloading, stability, weather, snowpack, terrain (and traps), routefinding, and everything else that goes into making a backcountry trip a roundtrip, in my opinion we are somewhat discussing a moot point. With all the microclimates found in the cascades, even if the avy danger is "high", I know that I've encountered some people who still know of relatively safe approaches leading to a nice, stable slope, sometimes with 8" of blower pow to slash...yes, even in the Snoqualmie area. As Pete A said, good terrain selection and stability tests can go a long ways.
Personally I did not go out. Why? Malfunctioning beacon...otherwise, I would have been in a couple of short, nicely gladed, relatively safe areas in Snoqualmie area...
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