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Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
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18 years 1 month ago #180022
by savegondor
Replied by savegondor on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
What terrain are you trying to access with this method?
To chime in, I've seen it(wax) work well. I've also seen short 24 inch skins used for 'kickers' work well as well.
To chime in, I've seen it(wax) work well. I've also seen short 24 inch skins used for 'kickers' work well as well.
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18 years 1 month ago #180037
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Replied by sb on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
A little more:
Use the colder waxes (extra blue, special blue for Eastern Wa, etc.) full length.
Use the softer waxes (VR70 and klister) as kickers. More or less from the heel of your boot to a foot in front of the toe.
Carry a cork and scraper. Cork the waxes (except klister) well so that they adhere better to the ski than to your skins. Then there will be no problem using skins over the wax. I've long used skins even over klister without problem, but I'll leave that choice to you.
I don't have much experience with VR60 (though lots with its predecessor VF60). Why not try - VR60 on the left and VR70 on the right - and let us know how it works.
Use the colder waxes (extra blue, special blue for Eastern Wa, etc.) full length.
Use the softer waxes (VR70 and klister) as kickers. More or less from the heel of your boot to a foot in front of the toe.
Carry a cork and scraper. Cork the waxes (except klister) well so that they adhere better to the ski than to your skins. Then there will be no problem using skins over the wax. I've long used skins even over klister without problem, but I'll leave that choice to you.
I don't have much experience with VR60 (though lots with its predecessor VF60). Why not try - VR60 on the left and VR70 on the right - and let us know how it works.
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18 years 1 month ago #180040
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Replied by sb on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
I meant to add: to keep the wax on longer, prepare the kicker zones on the skis by not glide waxing them (or removing what is there) and then ironing on a binder of green hard wax (I use Toko green, but likely any other will do). This wax is fast enough that it won't slow you down noticeably but it will greatly improve the adhesion of the softer kick waxes.
It's possible to wax for long verticals with changing conditions by using sandwiches of klister and hard wax. This is not easier than just using skins, but does have a certain tech nerd charm. A couple of examples: In Vermont I skiied Camel's Hump with a three layer sandwich - green klister binder, blue klister mid layer, blue hard wax surface. The conditions were powder snow over ice. We were able to climb and descend the whole thing with the complex wax package. Thanks to wax gurus Tod Eastman and Robbie Frenette for showing me how to do it. In Mazama, I climbed and descended Setting Sun Mtn from Lost River via the Yellowjacket Rd (5,000 ft vertical) with a sandwich of red klister covered with VF60. Conditions were wet corn below, and powder above. To make these sandwiches, put the hard wax in your pocket to warm it up and put the klistered ski in the snow to cool it down. Then apply.
It's possible to wax for long verticals with changing conditions by using sandwiches of klister and hard wax. This is not easier than just using skins, but does have a certain tech nerd charm. A couple of examples: In Vermont I skiied Camel's Hump with a three layer sandwich - green klister binder, blue klister mid layer, blue hard wax surface. The conditions were powder snow over ice. We were able to climb and descend the whole thing with the complex wax package. Thanks to wax gurus Tod Eastman and Robbie Frenette for showing me how to do it. In Mazama, I climbed and descended Setting Sun Mtn from Lost River via the Yellowjacket Rd (5,000 ft vertical) with a sandwich of red klister covered with VF60. Conditions were wet corn below, and powder above. To make these sandwiches, put the hard wax in your pocket to warm it up and put the klistered ski in the snow to cool it down. Then apply.
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18 years 1 month ago - 18 years 1 month ago #180043
by larry's sister
Replied by larry's sister on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
Some great posts about waxing here. Thanks for all the new tips. I started waxing my free heel skis for grip years ago, before I had skins. One of my favorite like everyone else is extra blue, maybe for the nice ski day temperatures when it is used. I have used it heated on or crayoned on and rubbed out with the palm of my hand, or just crayoned on rough.
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18 years 1 month ago #180147
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Replied by mtbud on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
Thanks for all the info! I ordered some wax online (extra blue and swix vr70) and was looking forward to experimenting soon. Unfortunately, I broke my leg today while using my waxless backcountry skiis, so I'm out of commision for awhile. Guess I should have had some of those releaseable bindings!
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18 years 1 month ago #180148
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Replied by larry's sister on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
So sorry to hear you broke your leg. Did the deep snow have anything to do with it? I personally would like to see a new thread on the topic of falling with safety bindings vs. traditional fixed toe free heel bindings. Want to start one? I bet there are some opinions out there.
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