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18 years 2 months ago #179807 by sb
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One other solution to the grip tape - skins problem (besides strap on skins) is to use the plastic mesh supplied with skins these days between the skin and the tape. Since the tape is only 24 in or so in length (an under foot kicker) the skins still work well.

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18 years 1 month ago #179931 by sb
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Let me suggest as a 3 wax kit, suitable for western Washington conditions:

1. Blue Extra - for cold snow

2. Swix VR 70 - for warm snow or for lots of grip (and still good glide) on colder snow. I
used this today and it climbed like I had skins on and still had good glide, better than
my waxless skis yesterday. This is one of the new generation of race waxes and is
much more tolerant than the older series of waxes for this temperature range.

3. Swix Universal Silver klister. Use it for warm corn snow or very wet rain soaked snow.
The silver (powdered aluminum) keeps it less tacky and helps repel dirt (as in the
spring).

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18 years 1 month ago #180005 by Gary Vogt
Replied by Gary Vogt on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?
Grip wax can work well on single-cambered skis, but there is much less room for error (ie. more likely to ice up) than with nordic skis. Icy crust on the flats or downhill can also wear the wax off much more quickly than on a nordic ski, where the wax is more protected in the double-camber wax pocket. Don't use kicker wax on pattern base skis unless you like to spend a lot of time cleaning them.

I think perhaps a lot of people get frustrated & give up on this venerable technique because it can take a short distance (usually just a few hundred yards or less) for the wax to begin gripping effectively. A common scenario is for folks to choose the 'correct' wax, but it slips initially and they rewax & then clog up. A bit of stove fuel, an old toothbrush, zip-locks & papertowels might be good to have along while you're learning.

If you study XC racing literature, you'll find waxing graphs with temperature on one axis and moisture content on the other. My experience has been that a slightly stickier (softer) wax than that suggested by the temperature alone often works best in maritime snow. I've had really good results with Swix special (blue-stripe) purple. If the conditions require red or klister, I don't bother & just use skins or pattern bases.

Contamination of skin glue by the grip wax seems inevitable if you use both. The best solution I've found is separate sets of skins: an older mixed use set that must be cleaned & re-glued more often, plus 'pure' skins that never go on grip-waxed skis.

Another way to mitigate glue contamination is to only wax for a couple feet right under the bindings so as to keep the tip & tail adhesive cleaner. Waxing just a short 'kicker' rather than the entire ski may also preserve better glide if your wax is a bit too soft.

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18 years 1 month ago #180009 by Robie
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Thanks sb and vogtski , Now there 's gonna be a run on VR70 and silver klister.Already its hard to find Blue xtra on the shelves.

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18 years 1 month ago #180011 by ron j
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Ahh... the joys and benefits of the internet. 
Judging from the authors I see on this thread there's probably at least a 100 years experience in ski waxing here; far more than any author of any book you could find on the subject, and probably a lot more cool tricks on the subject as well.  Where else could one find such a great resource on ski waxing in PNW maritime snopacks.
And speaking of great, experienced resources, it's great to have you aboard, vogtski.
Thanks for your contribution and we'll hope to see more.

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18 years 1 month ago #180016 by Randito
Replied by Randito on topic Re: Grip wax on Telemark skiis?

Let me suggest as a 3 wax kit, suitable for western Washington conditions:

1.  Blue Extra - for cold snow

2.  Swix VR 70 - for warm snow or for lots of grip (and still good glide) on colder snow.  I               
     used this today and it climbed like I had skins on and still had good glide, better than 
     my waxless skis yesterday. This is one of the new generation of race waxes and is               
     much more tolerant than the older series of waxes for this temperature range.

3.  Swix Universal Silver klister.  Use it for warm corn snow or very wet rain soaked snow. 
     The silver (powdered aluminum) keeps it less tacky and helps repel dirt (as in the
     spring).


Hey SB -- any experience with Swix VR 60  ?

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