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18 years 2 months ago #179591 by snoqpass
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Not sure where you got that from, Alpental patrol both paid and volunteer were active in that incident from the start.

My statement was gained from first hand quotes from leaders and members of the Mountaineer group who were in close proximity to the accident, at the time they met up with the first group(s) responding to the accident.  This statement didn't suggest, and was certainly not meant to,  cast aspersions on the Alpental patrol or any others in the rescue chain, who were responding in dangerous conditions with unknown threats in a most timely manner.    Without getting into an in depth treatise on rescue procedures, I do know that the first responsiblity of the rescue coordinator - the Sheriff - and site leaders, is to prevent further injury or death to the rescuer and searchers.  Secondly, to manage the rescue in as  timely and  resource efficient manner as possible.  That being said, my comments reflected the unfortunate decision made by someone,  which effectively lost the opportunity for the rescue effort to gain a significant number of available, trained  human resources in the most timely manner.  Obviously any rescue coordinator is forced to weigh both the potential benefits and negatives of throwing unknown (as to skills, training, mentality, etc.) volunteers into the dangerous dynamics of mountain rescue.  Since we're all human, subject to our various bias and incomplete knowledge, it is critical that we gain knowledge from these tragic avalanche accidents - maybe we can do better before there's a next time. 

The Alpental patrol has a very good relationship with KSAR. A couple of them found Dan Witowski. It was two of them that what up to Source Lake with a dog at request of KSAR to assess the avalanche conditions. They found the bodies with the dog and assisted in extricating the survivor. To my knowledge KSAR personel did not make the scene of the incident for the rescue.

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18 years 2 months ago #179592 by AlpineRose
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As Bscott pointed out, the weather forecast needs to be checked as well. This would be especially important for a multi-day outing. It was quite evident by Thursday that weather conditions were going to create an extreme hazard by Sunday.

I've heard of folks carrying a weather radio on extended outings to get current information.

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18 years 2 months ago #179594 by GerryH
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Thanks Snoqpass for the additional info.  In my earlier posts regarding the Mountaineer leaders I was referring back to the Mushroom Couloir accident, not this most recent rescue you just described.  I just found a recent report of this current accident at the Westside Accident Report while researching other events: www.avalanche.org/av-reports/proc-show.php3?OID=19417059
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18 years 2 months ago #179596 by David_Lowry
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GerryH or anyone familiar with that area, was that a due S. facing slope that was windloaded and that slid, according to the Westside report?

I ask because where I'm at, the wind from that storm blew like stink from the SSW, and that correlates with the old forecast above, but I realize funny things can happen on a smaller scale.

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18 years 2 months ago #179599 by ski_photomatt
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David_Lowry: I'm assuming they were following the summer trail down from the divide, in which case the slope is south facing.  I was also surprised to see that the wind was coming from the north on top of the ridge according to the report.  The only micro effect I can think of is the pass effect where winds would be easterly instead of southerly on Sunday, but my experience has been that this would also cause southerly winds on top of the Snow Lake divide (in easterly flow, air moves across the pass essentially following I-90;  some of it also moves up the Alpental Valley, over the Snow Lake divide and down to Snow Lake and the Middle Fork Valley on the west side).

Regarding the forecasts for last weekend:  NWS had been talking about the storm for a few days prior to Friday but waited until Friday afternoon to issue Winter Storm Warnings/Heavy Snow Warnings for the weekend.  When they did, they said 2-3 ft was expected by Monday morning before heavy rain.  Someone who checked the weather Friday afternoon/evening would have seen that something big was brewing for the weekend.

I'm also troubled by these accidents as it seems some of them may have been avoided or mitigated.  My condolences to the friends and families of the victims.

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18 years 2 months ago #179600 by danengel
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Has anyone heard any recent news on the search? It seems like there are no updates today.

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