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Best BC Ski for Randonee

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19 years 6 months ago #175767 by Marcus
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I have a pair of Atomic 173 Teledaddy's, but they are a bit to specialized (and they are for sale).


Out of curiousity, what is it that you find too specialized about the TDs? I have a pair that I love in all conditions except hardpack, though they're certainly heavy. That said, I have a pair of Tickets as a spring ski (and probably bullet hard winter days, when they happen) to fill out the quiver... Definitely agree with those above who tout the 2-ski PNW quiver for the backcountry.

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19 years 6 months ago #175779 by TonyM
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OK- R:EX's get the nod as a great ski, and they are, but I really didn't want to change my binding system as I own 2 sets of F.D.s, 2 pairs of boots. So maybe I'll shell out the investment when the skis wear out or break. Until then I'll suffer the extra few pounds for performance.

On the Teledaddy's- I probably bought them too short. They're really more of a powder ski and a bit wide for my one and only Ascension skins. They seemed a little squirrely to me as well when compared to the mighty R:EX. Choices, choices!

Thx!!

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19 years 6 months ago #175781 by oftpiste
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I was pleasantly surprised - after hearing much hooha about 'too light' etc. - at how well my Goode Pash 80's performed on my first summer outing ever on Muir snowfield and the Pebble Creek snowfield (THAT was a fun ski!). Yeah, pricey, but stiff, extremely light (mounted with Dynafits), responsive and quick to maneuvre in the few inches of soft, dirty, suncupped and runneled summer snow on top of very icy stuff. I also enjoyed this ski a great deal under a wide variety of winter conditions even though it's not my favorite stick for the winter.

I'm sure with more experience I might be better equipped to comment on the differences, but I was sure glad to have ultralight ski gear on the climb to Muir that kicked my ass pretty good. One thing I did learn was that I will be installing brakes on the Dynafits soon. The hassle and risk of the straps were not worth the weight difference.

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19 years 6 months ago #175809 by Randonnee
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I like to use the BD telemark cable leashes for a strap on my Dynafits for a light attachment. I have a set of the old sliver clips on cable and also a set of the newer spring-loaded "tongs" that I just use in my boot buckles. It is not the most bombproof system (in the buckle), but is just something to catch a ski, and if there is a lot of force I want it to come off, anyway. If one tends to fall while skiing, I would recommend ski brakes. One may also buy the small cable and joining fittings to make a cable leash with a clip.

Light is right if it works. If the weight of a ski made it deflect less, then we would attach weights to skis for skiing crud or deflecting type snow. It is the appropriate application of leverage to the ski that controls deflection for a large part. If the ski is suitably stiff both longitudinally and torsionally and vibration is controlled by materials and construction, then a skier may apply the appropriate leverage through the ski.

In my experience not too stiff or soft in a rando ski, and the other qualities such as torsional characteristics, determine the all around suitability. One's weight, intent (desired speed, use, etc.), skiing style and ability also come into play. I find that some stiff European skis (Dynastar and Hagen) that I have mounted with randonnee bindings are great for fast carving but lack versatility. I found that my wife's Atomic Tourguide light rando skis were ridiculously soft washrags and probably not usable unless one weighs closer to 70 kilos or less. My K2 skis have shown the most versatility for variable conditions and reasonable stability (not the best, but good enough) for speed or hard conditions. I have enjoyed K2s since I switched after the Mahres won their medals on K2 204 cm skis over 20 years ago.

This spring I set up some 174 cm K2 Chogori with Dynafit bindings and TLT 4 boots for spring and summer skiing. Handling and flexing the ski before buying it convinced me that it should work. The Chogori is amazing and versatile for me- I never skied anything so short until this year (Disclaimer: it seems that I make most skis that I use do what I like...). The Chogori has this wide, flexible spoon tip that sucks up irregularities and floats, but the ski is stiff enough underfoot and in the tail to carve in a predictable and stable fashion. I am anxious to test the Chogori in soft snow this winter- it may do well and offer a great winter setup that weighs several lbs. less than my Dynafit FR 10/ Comfort/ Aero setup. It will be interesting to see if the Chogori is continued in the K2 line.

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19 years 6 months ago #175859 by mfaoro
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The new K2 telemark site is up. Looks like Chogori is still in the line up.

Cant wait to try the Baker.

Michael

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19 years 6 months ago - 19 years 6 months ago #175872 by Randonnee
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That Mt. Baker looks like a strong ski. Should be real good for downhill performance and stability in the Cascade crest-type snow. It is a bit heavy.

It is good to see that the Chogori model has been continued. I ponder whether it is the poor-man's Trab. Having never skied Trab, I cannot really say. However, what I have with the Chogori is a light and functional ski that works for my large carcass. I probably would have bought some Trabs, if not for the arrogant and cheaply done free marketing on various Forums by the US Distributor and for the ridiculous pressure in email responses to my inquiries. Anyway, I spent $500 less on the Chogori compared to the Trab, so I got FR 10s and Chogoris for what I would have spent on the Trab that I was considering.

It is good to hear that the Goode Pash 80's worked well. I was considering Goode skis as well.

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