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Best BC Ski for Randonee

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19 years 5 months ago #176055 by Jonathan_S.
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I took the Tri Step bindings off of them, but you could actually have the Tri Steps if you really want to live dangerously and risk injury. I have been on Dynafit since 2001 and the only (sking DH) release that I have experienced was while on the red Hagans in a (stupidly) high speed carve on a hard refrozen 25 degree slope the Tri Step toe opened one side and the ski  skipped sideways until I finally crashed and slid, happy to have BD self- arrest poles and  a helmet.

Yipes, scary story - the first year of those TriStep toes certainly had lots of problems.   But my understanding is that the heels are exactly the same as on the current Comforts.  So they could still be useful if anyone wanted to transform a pair of regular TLT bindings into Comforts (although an extra 5mm toe shim and longer screws would be necessary to keep the same delta).

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19 years 5 months ago #175278 by Randonnee
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The heels are part of my current Comforts. I ordered and bought the new toes for $200. The old red heels color coordinate with the red graphics of the FR 10, giving a splash of color and unique appearance for my rig. It is so important to properly accessorize.

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19 years 5 months ago #176060 by ron j
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If you want some 193 cm bright red Hagan Valdez Extreme, 107/ 75/ ?, 1700 gm,  Ron, you can have them for almost nothing...I took the Tri Step bindings off of them, but you could actually have the Tri Steps if you really want to live dangerously and risk injury. I have been on Dynafit since 2001 and the only (sking DH) release that I have experienced was while on the red Hagans in a (stupidly) high speed carve on a hard refrozen 25 degree slope the Tri Step toe opened one side and the ski  skipped sideways until I finally crashed and slid, happy to have BD self- arrest poles and  a helmet. I drove straight to Pro Ski after that and bought (sale) Shuksans and the improved Tri Step...which actually worked a little better. I could have just put the new bindings on the Hagans, I guess, but a guy does not want to run out of skis and the Shuksans were 30% off, they were practically paying me to take them...
The 193 Hagan skis are quite stiff and stable if one likes to plow through anything in a stable fashion. Or they would be good for a young flexible cliff hucker whose testosterone still outweighs his orthopaedic deficit. I think of them as rather "insensitive to powder" of the Wenatchee Mtn. variety. They just motor through crud, mank, glaunch, or carve boilerplate. Perfect for the greater westerly Cascades.

Glad you didn't get hurt on the crash, Rando, and thanks for the kind offer of the skis.  But, (sigh) I doubt anyone who is trying to figure out how to fit his walker to his skis is a candidate for any ski with "Valdez Extreme" in it's name.  ;)
From a more practical point of view, even at a steal of a price I doubt they would fit my geriatric skiing style; I tend to ski pretty soft skis and I haven't skied anything that long since before the first shaped skis came out.  I tend to agree with your implication, those skis need a young, testosterone crazed, jock to get the most out of them.

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19 years 5 months ago #176061 by andyski
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For what it's worth, I have thoroughly enjoyed my BD Havocs for the past couple seasons. They're 88 in the waist, so do just fine in all types of soft snow for my 140 pds, but do very well on hard snow, also. Add Freerides and they're not exactly light, but a pair Dynafits will go a long way toward levelling the playing field. ;D

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19 years 5 months ago - 19 years 5 months ago #176062 by gregL
Replied by gregL on topic Re: Best BC Ski for Randonee
I have a pair of Havocs as well, and they rip in pretty much any condition, especially crud. I don't care for the twin tip for touring, however - the tail of these skis is effectively three or four inches longer than the skis they replaced (184 R:EX) so I step on my own downhill ski every time I make a steep uphill kick turn.  Also when you're booting up something steep and jamming the skis in the snow as a self-belay device, the tails tend to deflect and not penetrate the snow.  I couldn't really think of a good reason for the upturned tail until I watched Doug Coombs in the Otter Body Experience video rapping down backward (note K2 stickers all over the skis).


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19 years 5 months ago #176100 by The_Snow_Troll
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Speaking of which, does anyone have direct experience with both the T:MX/R:EX and their current incarnation (same footprint), the Kongur?
The Kongur seems to be available cheap, probably because most people hated the graphics . . . I've also heard reports that they don't ski the same as the older skis . . .


Last year at Marmot's demo night I skied my R-EX (w/ 7TM) and my buddies TM-EX (w/ Targa's) back to back with the new Kongur (with BD O?). I have to say that the difference was subtle but noticable. The non-Kongur's seems to have more 'life' to them, even though they were 3 & 2 years old, respectively. I prefered the BD Xbow to the Kongur...but don't think their are any of those available for cheap.

Is the extra 'life' worth any money? Guess that's one of those 'it depends' things...

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