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I have heard of people using orange ribbon stuffed in their boots on powder days in the event of skiis getting lost in a crash.
However, I have found about 100 yards of 30lb test fishing line works way better, but you gotta let it drag behind you. It has the added benefit of keeping rude sled heads away. Of course some sled heads are considerate outdoor people and some are something other than that (same issue with people in SUVs and people in general).
However, I have found about 100 yards of 30lb test fishing line works way better, but you gotta let it drag behind you. It has the added benefit of keeping rude sled heads away. Of course some sled heads are considerate outdoor people and some are something other than that (same issue with people in SUVs and people in general).
A collective bunch of Leftist PC clowns. Get over yourselves.
Okay, not just trying to add to the number of posts on Baker...what do you guys think of the skin track that goes out to the Bagley Lakes basin next to the creek (passes the bridge...the lower track)? I was looking at the section where it goes along the steep sidehill and wondering if it was a terrain trap of sorts. Should we worry about the fact that this hillside could slide into the creek and pack a ton of snow on some unsuspecting skier? Should we start a different skin track that avoids the...
Joe's not exactly a 20-something himself... but, thankfully, he's a long way yet from 70...
Half way there...Living on a prayer.
Thanks for the kind words Ron.
I'm never to old to make mistakes and hopefully never to late to learn from them.
Most importantly I do not want to alienate my opportunity to share a wonderful backcountry experience with everyone! ;D
Update:
According to folks in the Skykomish Ranger Station, the area is USFS land, and there are no restrictions in motorized use on the front side. However, no mo's are allowed past Skyline Lake, or past the upper cell tower, which means they cant go to the good skiing spots anyway. So lets just keep them honest to where they can access and maybe I'll try to catch a tow up the front side next time.
Cheers
According to folks in the Skykomish Ranger Station, the area is USFS land, and there are no restrictions in motorized use on the front side. However, no mo's are allowed past Skyline Lake, or past the upper cell tower, which means they cant go to the good skiing spots anyway. So lets just keep them honest to where they can access and maybe I'll try to catch a tow up the front side next time.
Cheers
Some long forgotten stand-up comic (at least to me, being elderly and all) cleared up the subject for me; he said "'older' is someone ten years or more your senior. 'Younger' usually means ten years or more your junior."
It all seems to work ok if you keep in mine the point of reference, eh? ;)
Joe's not exactly a 20-something himself... but, thankfully, he's a long way yet from 70, and a rather kind and diplomatic 30 or 40-something at that.
Long live...
It all seems to work ok if you keep in mine the point of reference, eh? ;)
Joe's not exactly a 20-something himself... but, thankfully, he's a long way yet from 70, and a rather kind and diplomatic 30 or 40-something at that.
Long live...
... the lower right of that picture of baker is peak 5628. i have been waitng for that thing to get stable and deep, so if anyone is headed out there, email me ;)
See our Dec 6th TR. That is named "Ptarmigan Peak". We head for it just about every day that throws a sucker hole at us, and usually end up on top, looking for our ski tips, retreating down our up track inside a cow.
The thing that makes so much sn...
My appologies for the misunderstanding ejlindahl.
If I remember I used the word elder not elderly.
It was probably the poor- Senior casino analogy that bent the wheel.
My reference of elder was used in the adjective form, defined simply: (of one or more persons) of greater age than the person specified.
There are many forms to define the word and I notice some persons can be particularly sensitve to this word (like my dad who is 81). Therefore, I may refrain from the usage of t...
If I remember I used the word elder not elderly.
It was probably the poor- Senior casino analogy that bent the wheel.
My reference of elder was used in the adjective form, defined simply: (of one or more persons) of greater age than the person specified.
There are many forms to define the word and I notice some persons can be particularly sensitve to this word (like my dad who is 81). Therefore, I may refrain from the usage of t...
Verrrrrrrrrrrry nice. Now there is a Baker TR!
Little Alaska is looking fine -- that is one steep mutha!
Little Alaska is looking fine -- that is one steep mutha!
Now, are you talking preparation H and hemorrhoids here, where the sun don't shine? I had someone tell me about those once. He called into work and said he couldn't come in because of his hemorrhoids!! Those buggers are steep!
Then there are those who ride lifts or stay pretty quiet in the winter, but when the remote steep sphincter insanity is prepped they rage it, and let you know about it.
I'm a little old school and have never posted nor planned to post a notice on a computer but Joedabaker's reference to an elder couple caused a mixed reaction of incredulity and hilarious laughter in my wife and I. I suspect my wife and I are the elder couple referenced. We could not resist the temptation to defend our youth. We still think of ourselves as 20 something but after a day of skiing we know its not true. If I recall correctly when we were 20 or 30 we also thought a person...
I promise that when i finally get to a true BC trip this winter, y'all will be the first to hear about it all. ;D
I live vicariously through you all during the week. Keep them TR's comin!
I live vicariously through you all during the week. Keep them TR's comin!
Don't wait; if you can do it sooner, go for it. I too have some great photos to share (one of my mountaineering hobbies), but the added hassle so far hasn't been worth it. I love to see other's pics and feel they make a TR. Some are truly amazing.
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Sorry, I was so busy with my statistical analysis that I forgot to respond to this question. The answer is yes...and no. The yes part is that with the move to...
Hmmm, I have recent photos of avalanche crown lines, wind-rippled snow, snow-stability testing video, and great skiing photos in the baker area, but I am unable to upload these files easily to this forum. Are there any new developments in this regard, Charles?
Sorry, I was so busy with my statistical analysis that I forgot to respond to this question. The answer is yes...and no. The yes part is that with the move to...
Gregg - I don't think it's fair to blame you for having everyone drive to one of the two parking lots worth driving to last winter (and from what I saw, clearly the better of the two). Some b'hammers were rather distressed early season to see me in "the secret area everyone knows about" and to learn I was from pugetopolis, but heck, everyone's tracks spotted years before led me to peruse the map, and alas it was an easy conclusion to draw, and last winter it was just too strong a draw....
Wolfs,
Great point. A closure near the base of the slope would buffer the Wilderness.
Snowmobiles are licensed. If you see a violator, get the number, or take a photo, turn 'em in.
I think that there is a lot more snomo terrain available than close-to-parking ski touring terrain.
I have been skiing Wedge Mtn. above Snow Lakes for over 20 years, sometimes snowmobiling the many miles of road to get there. It is not a great tour, but handy just above town. For a...
Great point. A closure near the base of the slope would buffer the Wilderness.
Snowmobiles are licensed. If you see a violator, get the number, or take a photo, turn 'em in.
I think that there is a lot more snomo terrain available than close-to-parking ski touring terrain.
I have been skiing Wedge Mtn. above Snow Lakes for over 20 years, sometimes snowmobiling the many miles of road to get there. It is not a great tour, but handy just above town. For a...
Like Phil points out, snomo assist is really a totally different usergroup than pure snomo (BTW Phil, do you still own that sled? ;) ) The Skyline riders probably wouldn't even care if the discrete snomo rider group that represents snowmobiling's public and policy-setting face stated they'd agree to not ride up there anymore. They're either taking turns or trading uptrack for sixpack, the sled is means to end.
I noted this same issue in a Skyline TR from a while back. My conce...
I noted this same issue in a Skyline TR from a while back. My conce...
If for no other reason, I'm sure Stevens Pass would prefer it be snowmobile-free since the 'bilers would take up waaaay too much parking area with their trucks and trailers..
Hey Oker,
I think it was funny that I had a spelling error after pontificating! Serves me right. You can criticize me in fun or seriousness, I will not cry, but I do like to argue.
I must admit, the humor was not lost on me after you pointed the typo out. Just wanted to be sure you didn't think I was calling anyone names. I like to debate too, as you may have gathered in the past ;).
Cool, Juan. Non-motorized designation would be good. The area is close to Wilderness.
JimD,
No apology necessary, and the intent was to encourage more productive communication. Don't get offended, as long as we don't swear and name call I say just argue back if you wish. We all get fired up, and sometimes certain language is not helpful.
It is hardly worth snowmobiling up there to ski tour. One point was that if no one told those snowmobilers that they were offensive, how would...
JimD,
No apology necessary, and the intent was to encourage more productive communication. Don't get offended, as long as we don't swear and name call I say just argue back if you wish. We all get fired up, and sometimes certain language is not helpful.
It is hardly worth snowmobiling up there to ski tour. One point was that if no one told those snowmobilers that they were offensive, how would...
I think it's likely to become a more and more frequent occurrence, give the rising popularity of backcountry skiing, especially sled-assisted bc skiing.
No self-respecting sledhead would go there for the sledding itself - your day would be done in 5 minutes.
I wonder if we'll see them on Arrowhead soon too...
No self-respecting sledhead would go there for the sledding itself - your day would be done in 5 minutes.
I wonder if we'll see them on Arrowhead soon too...
There are plenty of TAY folks in the Baker Backcountry. It would be tedious to post a report everyweek for the same areas. I am also under a mildly enforced gag order after the masses of skiers we had show up last year to get decent skiing.
B.T.W. The sking was fantastic on Sunday. Calf deep powder on all aspects with super stability. We skied some steep lines with nothing budging.
B.T.W. The sking was fantastic on Sunday. Calf deep powder on all aspects with super stability. We skied some steep lines with nothing budging.
Yes, more love xoxoxoxo (where's the heart symbol?), and I'll contribute to getting this to be a record setting thread - after all, that wouldn't be right for Snoqualmie Pass to beat out Baker! ;)
My take on the numbers is different from yours, Tim. To me, the more significant indicator of love and appreciation for a trip report is not how many responses it gets, but how many views it gets. I do trips that are not the pure climbing-for-turns type that are most popular here, so there...
My take on the numbers is different from yours, Tim. To me, the more significant indicator of love and appreciation for a trip report is not how many responses it gets, but how many views it gets. I do trips that are not the pure climbing-for-turns type that are most popular here, so there...
I have seen the bilers up there this season too (and no I dont think this is an offensive term- I actually prefer bubblehead). And yes, I did stop and speak with them, letting them know that I was under the impression the area was non-motorized. He told me that the front side is usable, but not Heather Ridge and not the backside past Skyline lake, which leaves them only with some pretty flat and short terrain-and fairly lame IMO to deal with the burden of a snowmachine.
I am i...
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Dear Rando,
Sorry to bore you with my poor writing, selfish pre-eminence, and preadolescent fit. You are right on all counts - I'm afraid this incident brought out the worst in me. I admit to being a cranky old timer (with preadolescent tendencies when worked up) who does believe that muscle powered sports are better for both the practitioner and the environment than motorized. Of course the use of a car to get up there negates my ecological superiority, and why should I care if they get...
Sorry to bore you with my poor writing, selfish pre-eminence, and preadolescent fit. You are right on all counts - I'm afraid this incident brought out the worst in me. I admit to being a cranky old timer (with preadolescent tendencies when worked up) who does believe that muscle powered sports are better for both the practitioner and the environment than motorized. Of course the use of a car to get up there negates my ecological superiority, and why should I care if they get...
If that's going to happen, we need to start talking about your incredibly risky ski behavior, Tim, and your questionable safety equipment list.
YES!!! Page two!!
Hey, no pain here. I was just trying to stir things enough to see if a Baker thread could reach page two.
25 down and 41 to go to beat out that December Snoqualmie thread by MW8888888888888888888888.
Hey, no pain here. I was just trying to stir things enough to see if a Baker thread could reach page two.
25 down and 41 to go to beat out that December Snoqualmie thread by MW8888888888888888888888.
FWIW, I love Baker. It takes me as long to drive to the upper lot as to Paradise, and then there's the Longmire gate roulette to deal with (read this past weekend's reports...). All the B'hammers I've met are great people. The ski area has that mellow feel - more A-Basin than Aspen in attitude and infrastructure. I've even thought about moving to B'ham due in part to the consistent snowpack up there (but the real estate values have gone wild up there lately as far as I can tell). If it's love yo...
Here are some more numbers to play with, the Baker TR posts since Dec 1:
Date posted by responses
1-Dec Zap 0
3-Dec Tomski 0
4-Dec mjb266 ...
Date posted by responses
1-Dec Zap 0
3-Dec Tomski 0
4-Dec mjb266 ...
haha, tim place's TR is classic! yeah, thats pretty much what all my TRs would sound like. Charles has a good point though, so if you guys want TRs, i'll give 'em. ;D
BTW in the lower right of that picture of baker is peak 5628. i have been waitng for that thing to get stable and deep, so if anyone is headed out there, email me ;)
BTW in the lower right of that picture of baker is peak 5628. i have been waitng for that thing to get stable and deep, so if anyone is headed out there, email me ;)
I didn't notice the typo until you pointed it out. I'm not intending to call anyone names, if "bilers" is an offensive term, let me know and I'll cease and desist. I certainly am not trying to paint you as "uppity" Randonee - sorry if you truly took my post in that light, though perhaps you're reading more into it than was there? I meant what I said about striving to interact positively, as I do ski around them a fair bit, and see no point in inflaming the us/them divide. I s...
Randonnee - as if you should be talking. Coming from a fellow that ACCUSES Amar of Fraud simply because of a difference in the reported gas price at a station & what it said on his receipt! I think you need to work on your vocabulary with the assistance of a Thesaurus. ???
http://www.flickr.com is the best photo-sharing website I've seen. It's easy-to-use and free. Once you've uploaded a photo to the flickr site, click on "See Different Sizes", and choose the size you want to link to. At the bottom of the page will be the photo's URL, which you can copy and paste into your post here.
For example, here's a shot from the Muir snowfield on Sunday, 1/22/06:
http://static.flickr.com/32/89988100_02506210b9_o.jpg
- Jayson
For example, here's a shot from the Muir snowfield on Sunday, 1/22/06:
http://static.flickr.com/32/89988100_02506210b9_o.jpg
- Jayson
Toby T: I thought the same thing until this morning. Try www.imagecave.com. Quick, easy and free. Even gives you the url to link your photo in with.
Good one. That uppity Randonnee should check his spelling, as well!
User groups sometimes make negative assumptions about other user groups. Those assumptions are sometimes accompanied by name calling. Name calling is a lot of fun, but does not accomplish much.
Oh, please- don't drag the kids into this. I tend to keep my six year-old daughter away from hazardous areas or activities.
User groups sometimes make negative assumptions about other user groups. Those assumptions are sometimes accompanied by name calling. Name calling is a lot of fun, but does not accomplish much.
Oh, please- don't drag the kids into this. I tend to keep my six year-old daughter away from hazardous areas or activities.
Hmmm, I have recent photos of avalanche crown lines, wind-rippled snow, snow-stability testing video, and great skiing photos in the baker area, but I am unable to upload these files easily to this forum. Are there any new developments in this regard, Charles? I think I would post TR's if there was an easy way. Pictures are great information providers (worth a tousand words), and I would probably tend to post TR's if I could add a photo very easily to some text. Note-(creating a web-space, trans...
A direspectful bc skier is no less annoying that a disrespectful snowmobiler.
That is true, for sure. When I ski around bilers, I strive to interact positively with them. I've shared my food on ridgetops (and politely turned down offers of their beer). Other than perhaps the original post, I'm not seeing disrespect toward the motorized users in this thread (discussion as to whether use of a given area is appropriate is of course not in and of...
I'm getting the impression that people here view the purpose of trip reports in widely differing ways. Maybe some see trip reports mostly as "achievement reports" while others see trip reports as "conditions reports"? I would tend to be on the conditions end of the spectrum. I agree that something like, "30 degree slope, 600' runs. ÊUP and down. Snow good," is not what I'm looking for when I read trip reports. There are lots of recent examples of the type of report...
No snowmobiles in that area would be welcomed by most self-powered users. That would be fine with me. I am suggesting that one needs to take a reasonable and civil approach. It sounds like some are just getting all fired up and have not even discussed their concerns with the snowmobilers. There is no signage to prohibit snowmobiles, so neither user has priority until something is established. If some of you want to make a change, find out who owns the land and contact them to express your...
Then again maybe there is......Just before sunrise on Tuesday morning. ÊTR: Great views in all directions and refrozen wind crust on all exposures. Ê :D
nice baker photo
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nice baker photo
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Perhaps JimD's language is a bit inflammatory, but many of us share his feelings. Skyline Ridge is one of the shortest approaches around. Perhaps those compelled to use machines to access there ought to stay in the lift assisted backcountry of the ski areas.
Historically, Skyline has always been non-motorized. Leave it for those who earn their turns by skinning up from the a parking lot. There are many other places day touring skiers cannot access that are avail...
Historically, Skyline has always been non-motorized. Leave it for those who earn their turns by skinning up from the a parking lot. There are many other places day touring skiers cannot access that are avail...
Note that every other volcano in the NW was in bright sunshine, while Hood was stuck under a huge black soul sucking lenticular.
Yes "soul sucking lenticular" is a good way to put it. Maybe Ullar was upset there was too many AT skiers on Mt Hood on Sunday? It did make for some nice colors though.
The light on the horizon on Sunday was spectacular. A few of your photos captured it well -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickpope/90460471/
Note that every other volcano in the NW was in bright sunshine, while Hood was stuck under a huge black soul sucking lenticular.