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A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this?
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5 years 1 week ago #234623
by Charlie Hagedorn
A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this? was created by Charlie Hagedorn
I've been recreating actively in the wintertime Cascades since the 05/06 season -- Perhaps it is just my memory, but I can't recall a snowpack like this one.
Have any of you experienced a snowpack like this in the cascades? After a strange start (dumps and pineapples), we are alternating lots of snow and significant periods of cold/faceting conditions. Did '99 do this?
If so, how did things go in late February/early March? I'm used to having perhaps a PWL in the form of surface hoar or near-surface facets emerge sometime around March, but only one at a time, and rarely so reactive.
Have any of you experienced a snowpack like this in the cascades? After a strange start (dumps and pineapples), we are alternating lots of snow and significant periods of cold/faceting conditions. Did '99 do this?
If so, how did things go in late February/early March? I'm used to having perhaps a PWL in the form of surface hoar or near-surface facets emerge sometime around March, but only one at a time, and rarely so reactive.
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5 years 1 week ago #234637
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Replied by kamtron on topic A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this?
Wasn't a couple years ago similar? I do remember rain crusts + facets and deep slabs that were reactive, went dormant, then awoke come spring rains & warmth.
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5 years 1 week ago #234640
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Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this?
This year is different because we may be about to do it again (and the faceting is perhaps the weakest I've encountered). The coming week looks like another cycle of near-surface faceting.
We should expect the facets to round eventually (and then reawaken with the rain), but I'm managing this hazard even-more carefully than usual.
We should expect the facets to round eventually (and then reawaken with the rain), but I'm managing this hazard even-more carefully than usual.
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5 years 1 week ago #234643
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Replied by kamtron on topic A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this?
Yeah I don't feel comfortable, especially being up in Bellingham and skiing Baker now. A lot of open, alpine terrain.
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5 years 6 days ago #234648
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Replied by old school on topic A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this?
I've been skiing here since spring of 1990 and dont recall this level of faceting, althought I recall a good 6-8 week stretch of buried layers that finally let loose in spring I couldnt tell you the year. 12 years ago?
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5 years 5 days ago #234660
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Replied by kamtron on topic A question for the old-timers. Have you seen a year like this?
Another question for the old schoolers:
If a slope already ran on the mid January layer that we're all worried about, would it be safe to assume that layer is no longer an issue on that slope?
This would currently apply to S face Herman, for example, or some parts of Shuksan arm.
My feeling is that the sliding surface is still there but the weakness is gone, so it's probably reset to crust + whatever snow fell after the slide. I suppose you can still get near-crust faceting occuring and would want to stay out from under other slopes that didn't slide and could harbor reamaining deep slabs.
If a slope already ran on the mid January layer that we're all worried about, would it be safe to assume that layer is no longer an issue on that slope?
This would currently apply to S face Herman, for example, or some parts of Shuksan arm.
My feeling is that the sliding surface is still there but the weakness is gone, so it's probably reset to crust + whatever snow fell after the slide. I suppose you can still get near-crust faceting occuring and would want to stay out from under other slopes that didn't slide and could harbor reamaining deep slabs.
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