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March 4th 2017, busy day

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8 years 11 months ago - 8 years 11 months ago #154180 by AlpineRose
March 4th 2017, busy day was created by AlpineRose
NWAC update Sunday morning:

Update at 1000 AM Sunday for elevated danger level rating in the Olympics and to highlight several avalanche involvements in the Olympics and Washington Cascades Saturday, March 4th, including: a snowmobiler fatality near Gallagher Head Lake, NE of Cle Elm Lake; a full burial and recovery in the Cedar Ck drainage, just east of Washington Pass; a 4-5 ft triggered wind slab on Mt Herman that fully or partially buried a separate party of three at the base of the slide; a triggered slide on the North slope of Chair Peak in the Alpental Valley, resulting in a broken femur and requiring an organized rescue.  Numerous other avalanche involvements occurred on Saturday as well.


Evidently the consequences of H-I-G-H avalanche danger aren't being understood by many.
Last edit: 8 years 11 months ago by cmosetick.

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8 years 11 months ago #154183 by BenJ
Replied by BenJ on topic Re: March 4th, busy day
It looks like the forecast was listed as "considerable" on Friday night and upgraded around 1 PM Saturday, after many of the accidents occurred. The folks skiing Saturday would not have seen that avy danger was
"H-I-G-H" by looking at the forecast.

Its a reminder that while the forecasts are super helpful, there's a lot more that goes into staying safe than reading whats online. Probably best not to shame people for their decisions/mistakes either.




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8 years 11 months ago #154184 by JohnBox
Replied by JohnBox on topic Re: March 4th, busy day
Nice reminder Ben, thanks. Here is the original forecast from Friday night for Saturday:
www.nwac.us/avalanche-forecast/avalanche-forecast/753/

And the mid day update on Saturday:
www.nwac.us/avalanche-forecast/avalanche-forecast/755/

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8 years 11 months ago #154186 by aaron_wright
Replied by aaron_wright on topic Re: March 4th, busy day

It looks like the forecast was listed as "considerable" on Friday night and upgraded around 1 PM Saturday, after many of the accidents occurred. The folks skiing Saturday would not have seen that avy danger was
"H-I-G-H" by looking at the forecast.

Its a reminder that while the forecasts are super helpful, there's a lot more that goes into staying safe than reading whats online. Probably best not to shame people for their decisions/mistakes either.




Either way, it's dangerous. Considerable rating is dangerous avalanche conditions with human triggered avalanches likely. I'm not pointing fingers but a "considerable" rating is really the time for choosing terrain appropriate for the conditions. More accidents happen during times of "considerable" danger than "high".

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8 years 11 months ago #154187 by dberdinka
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WHAT IN THE HELL WERE THESE PEOPLE THINKING!!!

Saturday morning was bottomless at Baker and it was absolutely Puking snow until around 11am. I feel like I'm willing to take on a fair bit of risk in the BC at times but I can't imagine the mindset that thought it was a good day to go touring. Straight up F$&@ing weird.

Sorry that's not a constructive comment but really people need to pull it together and use some common sense.

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8 years 11 months ago #154199 by Jason4
Replied by Jason4 on topic Re: March 4th, busy day
I appreciate NWAC very much and value the information that they put out. That said, I've noticed over the last 3 years that their avalanche forecasts are frequently one rating below what would seem to be appropriate and they upgrade the rating mid-day after seeing avalanche activity. A recent example of this would be February 9, 2017.

Initial avalanche forecast:
www.nwac.us/avalanche-forecast/avalanche...de-west-north-baker/
Updated forecast at 1143am, after most people have left their computers:
www.nwac.us/avalanche-forecast/avalanche...de-west-north-baker/
Matching archived weather forecast:
www.nwac.us/mountain-weather-forecast/mo...ather-forecast/1081/

The snowpack discussion was about consequential slabs that were propagating easily on Tuesday and the weather forecast was for 1.5 inches of rain to 5000' the next day. That seems like a pretty obvious recipe for large wet avalanche problems.

I have a feeling that NWAC doesn't want to set a pattern of forecasting higher danger and not getting any avalanche activity on those days. It might be trying to get better alignment is Canadian forecasts. I know that I've seen forecasts in Colorado that seem much riskier than what they are calling it for someone used to a PNW snowpack. Whatever the reason is behind the shift we need to be aware of what is "considerable" these days and that it is very considerable. Big avalanches happen on days that are forecasted to be considerable.

We, as users, need to be aware that what NWAC now calls Considerable often fits the description of what they used to call High just a few years back and we need to adjust our decision making accordingly.

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