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Reshaping a culture of Go Big or Go Home
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I really thought this was a great read, so sharing here for anyone who hasn't seen it yet:
www.sportgevity.com/article/killing-people-avalanches
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- T. Eastman
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The normalization of risk within communities and cultures does shift perceptions.
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"To go one step further, you’ll be a “Hero” if you go for it"
When I read this I can't help but think of those f**king stupid GoPro ads on TV that encourage people to "be a hero." I hate these ads with a passion. Doing anything "extreme" or whatever so you can chestbeat on the internet or post a video of your self-proclaimed awesomeness on YouTube is anything but being a hero. Hero is the most overused word in the modern world, so let's save it for people who run in to a burning building to save 10 orphans or whatever, but it certainly isn't accurately applied to risk-taking extreme sport participants.
I suppose it's only fair to recognize that we all contribute to this culture when we post our "wow, you are badass" or "damn, that's extreme" responses to people posting TRs about pushing it in sketchy conditions, narrowly avoiding disaster and the like.
As somebody who lost their best friend far, far too young, I can say it is anything but heroic or awesome. It's the sh*tiest feeling in the world for all the friends and family left behind. Maybe we should drop the "at least (s)he died doing something (s)he loves" in lieu of "wow, that was selfish to inflict on family and friends." I do my best to avoid this type of fate, but if something were to happen I won't spend those last few seconds thinking of how I went out in a blaze of glory, but rather reflect on the pain I caused for those who I love and left.
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It is impossible to pull out all of the risk of backcountry travel (I think the long tail of small probability events, think the 100 year avalanche) have the possibility to take out even the best decision makers. If we could shift the current growing user base into an area where they are only subject to long tail risk the majority of the time, we would see a large decrease in fatalities.
Does carrying a go pro make you more likely to make bad decisions? What about a airbag? Can we figure out a way to make people enjoy the UP as much as the DOWN? (I personally enjoy setting the skin track, as much as I enjoy skiing) Can we shift the goal oriented nature of the growing user base (I.E, I want to ski untracked snow), to a more process oriented (I.E, "its about the journey") goal?
I encourage my friends to go out and ski when the avalanche danger prevents good skiing, because I think it creates the mindset that backcountry skiing is really not about the skiing, its about time spent in nature.
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This is a good article.
"To go one step further, you’ll be a “Hero” if you go for it"
When I read this I can't help but think of those f**king stupid GoPro ads on TV that encourage people to "be a hero." I hate these ads with a passion. Doing anything "extreme" or whatever so you can chestbeat on the internet or post a video of your self-proclaimed awesomeness on YouTube is anything but being a hero. Hero is the most overused word in the modern world, so let's save it for people who run in to a burning building to save 10 orphans or whatever, but it certainly isn't accurately applied to risk-taking extreme sport participants.
I suppose it's only fair to recognize that we all contribute to this culture when we post our "wow, you are badass" or "damn, that's extreme" responses to people posting TRs about pushing it in sketchy conditions, narrowly avoiding disaster and the like.
As somebody who lost their best friend far, far too young, I can say it is anything but heroic or awesome. It's the sh*tiest feeling in the world for all the friends and family left behind. Maybe we should drop the "at least (s)he died doing something (s)he loves" in lieu of "wow, that was selfish to inflict on family and friends." I do my best to avoid this type of fate, but if something were to happen I won't spend those last few seconds thinking of how I went out in a blaze of glory, but rather reflect on the pain I caused for those who I love and left.
Very well said! When my buddy was killed skiing (his last words in this life were "I'm goin' for it") one of my reactions was anger about how selfish he was.
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I suppose it's only fair to recognize that we all contribute to this culture when we post our "wow, you are badass" or "damn, that's extreme" responses to people posting TRs about pushing it in sketchy conditions, narrowly avoiding disaster and the like.
Yes.
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If you have been sitting in an office in Seattle while a storm hammered the Cascades for a week, you might thing my trip report is sketchy.
If you had been out making obs all week during the storm (and saw how local conditions varied widely from the NWAC big picture), helped formulate a plan for the big line while looking for holes in the line of reasoning as to why the big line was a reasonable venture, then sketchy you might think not.
Time behind a computer screen will never replace time in the mountains . . .
Feel free to take the time to post or shoot a PM asking why the person posting the sketchy TR thought it was reasonable to ski that line on that day in those conditions . . .
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Sketchy is relative.
If you have been sitting in an office in Seattle while a storm hammered the Cascades for a week, you might thing my trip report is sketchy.
If you had been out making obs all week during the storm (and saw how local conditions varied widely from the NWAC big picture), helped formulate a plan for the big line while looking for holes in the line of reasoning as to why the big line was a reasonable venture, then sketchy you might think not.
Time behind a computer screen will never replace time in the mountains . . .
Feel free to take the time to post or shoot a PM asking why the person posting the sketchy TR thought it was reasonable to ski that line on that day in those conditions . . .
Plenty of time people post admitting themselves to pushing it in sketchy conditions. I'm not referring to armchair QBing here. The article (and the discussion) regard the overall culture leading to the need to 'go big', push risk too far and the corresponding attitudes, social and group dynamics which reinforce this behavior. It wasn't a critique (nor were my comments) of an individual's decision making or a personal attack, which it seems you may have interpreted it as, though perhaps I'm misinterpreting your comment myself.
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Time behind a computer screen will never replace time in the mountains . . .
... but time in the mountains is not in itself any qualification. I have spent most of my ski years in mountains and am now living in the flatlands; neither mountain residents or flatlanders have any corner on the stupids market.
Flexibility of agenda and not having to constantly out do your last adventure seem somewhat important in this context.
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