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14 years 3 weeks ago - 14 years 3 weeks ago #99096 by daveb
Figured there would be some interest in a super reactive surface layer observed yesterday (1/22 at 11 am) in the Baker backcountry.  General description is 12"+ of very low density snow over high density snow - speculation can be concluded from telemetry below.

The blue square on the topo shows exact location (below Slate Mountain) of the photo.  Sluffs would run on steep slopes near the 4400' contour in the topo, but on lower angle slopes many compression fractures would instantly appear without sluffing as shown in the photo.  Very cool when safely managed, but pretty scary in most terrain.

Telemetry, photo, and location hopefully allow for much entertainment.

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Mt Baker Ski Area, Washington

[tt]MM/DD  Hour  Temp  Temp    RH    RH  Wind  Wind  Wind  Wind  Hour Total 24 Hr Total
         PST     F     F     %     %   Min   Avg   Max   Dir Prec. Prec.  Snow  Snow
             5020' 4210' 5020' 4210' 5020' 5020' 5020' 5020' 4210' 4210' 4210' 4210'
1 22  1200    23    26   100    96     2     6    17   159  0.01  0.07     2   124
  1 22  1100    23    26   100    94     2     7    16   157  0.01  0.06     2   127
  1 22  1000    23    25   100    96     2     8    16   169  0.01  0.05     2   127
  1 22   900    22    25   100    97     0     7    18   158  0.03  0.04     2   236
  1 22   800    21    24   100    97     0     3    11   143  0.00  0.01     0   125
  1 22   700    21    24   100    96     2     6    11   163  0.01  0.01    10   125
  1 22   600    20    23   100    96     3    10    20   168  0.00  0.00    10   125
  1 22   500    20    24   100    97     9    15    22   176  0.00  0.00    10   125
  1 22   400    20    23   100    97     6    12    18   181  0.00  0.71    10   125
  1 22   300    20    23   100    95     8    16    24   173  0.00  0.71    10   125
  1 22   200    20    23   100    97    10    15    23   179  0.00  0.71    10   125
  1 22   100    19    23   100    95     7    15    26   175  0.00  0.71    10   126
  1 22     0    20    23   100    95     1     9    16   182  0.02  0.71     9     5
  1 21  2300    20    23   100    95     2     8    16   195  0.02  0.69    10   126
  1 21  2200    21    23   100    95     5    11    19   195  0.01  0.67    10   126
  1 21  2100    20    23   100    96     3     8    20   204  0.05  0.66     9   126
  1 21  2000    20    24   100    93     4     7    17   199  0.01  0.61     9   125
  1 21  1900    21    24   100    97     1     7    13   184  0.01  0.60     9   328
  1 21  1800    22    25   100    98     2     9    18   189  0.01  0.59     8   125
  1 21  1700    22    25   100    95     3     8    14   192  0.02  0.58     8   125
  1 21  1600    23    26   100    97     3     9    14   199  0.02  0.56     8   125
  1 21  1500    25    27   100    97     3     8    15   204  0.04  0.54     7   324
  1 21  1400    25    27   100    97     3     8    16   209  0.00  0.50     7   124
  1 21  1300    25    28   100    96     1     5     8   247  0.00  0.50     7   124
  1 21  1200    25    28   100    95     1     5     8   247  0.03  0.50     6   125
  1 21  1100    25    28   100    98     4     6     8   193  0.02  0.47     4   124
  1 21  1000    25    28   100    98     1     5     8   130  0.05  0.45     4   349
  1 21   900    25    28   100    99     2     6    10   146  0.05  0.40     5   123
  1 21   800    25    27   100    99     3     6    11   170  0.07  0.35     4   122
  1 21   700    26    28   100   100     5    11    20   141  0.08  0.28     2   122
  1 21   600    28    31   100   100     7    15    26   190  0.13  0.20    14   121
  1 21   500    30    33   100   100     7    10    17   217  0.07  0.07    13   117
  1 21   400    30    32   100   100     4     7    12   217  0.11  2.24    12   349
  1 21   300    30    33   100   100     4     8    11   217  0.09  2.13    12   115
  1 21   200    30    32   100   100     4     8    12   155  0.11  2.04    12   116
  1 21   100    31    33   100   100     4     9    13   131  0.18  1.93    11   116
  1 21     0    31    33   100   100     4     9    14   146  0.16  1.75    11   118
  1 20  2300    30    33   100   100     5     8    13   153  0.16  1.59    11   117
  1 20  2200    30    32   100   100     6     8    11   164  0.17  1.43    10   349
  1 20  2100    30    33   100   100     3     6    11   149  0.16  1.26     9   115
  1 20  2000    30    33   100   100     2     5     9   133  0.21  1.10     8   307
  1 20  1900    31    33   100   100     0     3    11   150  0.06  0.89     7   323
  1 20  1800    30    32   100   100     0     3    10   147  0.08  0.83     6   328
  1 20  1700    31    32   100   100     1     5    11   136  0.09  0.75     6   113
  1 20  1600    31    33   100   100     1     4    11   119  0.09  0.66     5   112
  1 20  1500    31    32   100   100     1     4    11   130  0.05  0.57     4   112
  1 20  1400    31    33   100   100     1     6    13   134  0.06  0.52     4   111
  1 20  1300    31    33   100   100     2     7    13   161  0.06  0.46     4   111
  1 20  1200    31    33   100   100     2     7    14   150  0.08  0.40     2   111
  1 20  1100    30    33   100   100     4     8    12   164  0.11  0.32     3   111
  1 20  1000    31    33   100   100     6     9    11   162  0.09  0.21     3   110
  1 20   900    30    33   100   100     6     8    12   155  0.05  0.12     2   110
  1 20   800    29    32   100   100     6     9    13   153  0.03  0.07     2   110
  1 20   700    29    31   100   100     4     8    12   152  0.02  0.04     1   109
  1 20   600    28    31   100   100     4     7     9   156  0.02  0.02     1    84
  1 20   500    28    31   100   100     6     9    13   168  0.00  0.00     1   110[/tt]
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14 years 3 weeks ago #99108 by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
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14 years 3 weeks ago #99111 by Marcus
That's really wild Dave -- good to see it in low angle stuff, scary elsewhere for sure...

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14 years 3 weeks ago #99118 by Jason4
I was riding just outside of the ropes at the ski area on Sunday. I actually set the first track coming back into the ski area from the Elbow and saw lots of loose running sluff that was easy to handle. At the end of the day I was traversing across a roll and noticed shooting cracks so I retreated to lower angle/well tracked terrain. I was up again yesterday and knew that there was heavy wind transport overnight. I had pretty good luck going into Oy Valley and the Elbow again and again found myself on the upper traverse off the top of chair 8 at the end of the day. I ski cut 2 spots and had storm slab that was about 12" deep pop very easily.

Did anybody see the loose wet slide that tore through the bottom of Oy Valley on Saturday afternoon? I checked out the debris on Sunday but could not identify a crown line. I suspect that it came off of the Football Field or the double barrel chutes. It looks like it flowed around the high point and then the two flow paths met in the bottom of the gulley. It's a terrifying amount of snow that looks similar to the slide from late February of last year.

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14 years 3 weeks ago - 14 years 3 weeks ago #99203 by chuck
On Sunday 1/22 We experienced similar disconcerting settling and a small slide. We were in the lower pitch (~600vf) of the swift creek trees coming off Kulshan ridge. Coming off the Kulshan ridge was way too scary for us on this day (and anyone else apparently). We took the usual skin track out of swift creek and then made our way south along the bottom of Austin pass about 2-300 yards. Our goal was to stay in low angle, low elevation trees and pick conservative lines. The snow was amazing, such that it was refilling on every lap.

In this vid I was tucked off in a safe spot on a bordering treed slight ridge watching my buddy run thru to the next safe spot. We had identified the convex rollover that moves in earlier laps and made efforts to stay off of it.

In the next run there was a navigation mistake and he ended up in a wind created runnel that we couldn't make out from above, given the tough viz. The snow settled with a turn in and moved about 4 feet before stopping. With a bit of nervous radio communication, we made an escape plan. I found a safe observer spot and he pointed it the hell out of there. At the bottom we regrouped over hot totties and decided to call it a day.

All the snow that moved was soft wind slab about 4-6 inches deep. The bit that moved in the video was filled in by the next lap, ready for the next bold skier. The deposition we skied thru was not hard at all, and if we didn't see it move would have assumed to be big sluff. It likely wouldn't have buried a skier but it certainly could have smashed one into those tress to injury.
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14 years 3 weeks ago #99291 by peteyboy
With Swift being the go to place in higher danger with high wind, it's good to remember that the skier's right high wall just at the entrance to each of those first three chutes heading south of the main Swift bowl toward Huntoon all are short convex wind-slabbed rollovers, and the gullies will allow the skier-triggered slide snow to concentrate and accelerate in the gut - and if you don't high-side out like he did, you'll get flushed through the little trees in front of you if it runs far enough.

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