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Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
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14 years 3 weeks ago - 14 years 3 weeks ago #99096
by daveb
Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation was created by daveb
Figured there would be some interest in a super reactive surface layer observed yesterday (1/22 at 11 am) in the Baker backcountry. General description is 12"+ of very low density snow over high density snow - speculation can be concluded from telemetry below.
The blue square on the topo shows exact location (below Slate Mountain) of the photo. Sluffs would run on steep slopes near the 4400' contour in the topo, but on lower angle slopes many compression fractures would instantly appear without sluffing as shown in the photo. Very cool when safely managed, but pretty scary in most terrain.
Telemetry, photo, and location hopefully allow for much entertainment.
Northwest Weather and Avalanche Center
Mt Baker Ski Area, Washington
[tt]MM/DD Hour Temp Temp RH RH Wind Wind Wind Wind Hour Total 24 Hr Total
PST F F % % Min Avg Max Dir Prec. Prec. Snow Snow
5020' 4210' 5020' 4210' 5020' 5020' 5020' 5020' 4210' 4210' 4210' 4210'
1 22 1200 23 26 100 96 2 6 17 159 0.01 0.07 2 124
1 22 1100 23 26 100 94 2 7 16 157 0.01 0.06 2 127
1 22 1000 23 25 100 96 2 8 16 169 0.01 0.05 2 127
1 22 900 22 25 100 97 0 7 18 158 0.03 0.04 2 236
1 22 800 21 24 100 97 0 3 11 143 0.00 0.01 0 125
1 22 700 21 24 100 96 2 6 11 163 0.01 0.01 10 125
1 22 600 20 23 100 96 3 10 20 168 0.00 0.00 10 125
1 22 500 20 24 100 97 9 15 22 176 0.00 0.00 10 125
1 22 400 20 23 100 97 6 12 18 181 0.00 0.71 10 125
1 22 300 20 23 100 95 8 16 24 173 0.00 0.71 10 125
1 22 200 20 23 100 97 10 15 23 179 0.00 0.71 10 125
1 22 100 19 23 100 95 7 15 26 175 0.00 0.71 10 126
1 22 0 20 23 100 95 1 9 16 182 0.02 0.71 9 5
1 21 2300 20 23 100 95 2 8 16 195 0.02 0.69 10 126
1 21 2200 21 23 100 95 5 11 19 195 0.01 0.67 10 126
1 21 2100 20 23 100 96 3 8 20 204 0.05 0.66 9 126
1 21 2000 20 24 100 93 4 7 17 199 0.01 0.61 9 125
1 21 1900 21 24 100 97 1 7 13 184 0.01 0.60 9 328
1 21 1800 22 25 100 98 2 9 18 189 0.01 0.59 8 125
1 21 1700 22 25 100 95 3 8 14 192 0.02 0.58 8 125
1 21 1600 23 26 100 97 3 9 14 199 0.02 0.56 8 125
1 21 1500 25 27 100 97 3 8 15 204 0.04 0.54 7 324
1 21 1400 25 27 100 97 3 8 16 209 0.00 0.50 7 124
1 21 1300 25 28 100 96 1 5 8 247 0.00 0.50 7 124
1 21 1200 25 28 100 95 1 5 8 247 0.03 0.50 6 125
1 21 1100 25 28 100 98 4 6 8 193 0.02 0.47 4 124
1 21 1000 25 28 100 98 1 5 8 130 0.05 0.45 4 349
1 21 900 25 28 100 99 2 6 10 146 0.05 0.40 5 123
1 21 800 25 27 100 99 3 6 11 170 0.07 0.35 4 122
1 21 700 26 28 100 100 5 11 20 141 0.08 0.28 2 122
1 21 600 28 31 100 100 7 15 26 190 0.13 0.20 14 121
1 21 500 30 33 100 100 7 10 17 217 0.07 0.07 13 117
1 21 400 30 32 100 100 4 7 12 217 0.11 2.24 12 349
1 21 300 30 33 100 100 4 8 11 217 0.09 2.13 12 115
1 21 200 30 32 100 100 4 8 12 155 0.11 2.04 12 116
1 21 100 31 33 100 100 4 9 13 131 0.18 1.93 11 116
1 21 0 31 33 100 100 4 9 14 146 0.16 1.75 11 118
1 20 2300 30 33 100 100 5 8 13 153 0.16 1.59 11 117
1 20 2200 30 32 100 100 6 8 11 164 0.17 1.43 10 349
1 20 2100 30 33 100 100 3 6 11 149 0.16 1.26 9 115
1 20 2000 30 33 100 100 2 5 9 133 0.21 1.10 8 307
1 20 1900 31 33 100 100 0 3 11 150 0.06 0.89 7 323
1 20 1800 30 32 100 100 0 3 10 147 0.08 0.83 6 328
1 20 1700 31 32 100 100 1 5 11 136 0.09 0.75 6 113
1 20 1600 31 33 100 100 1 4 11 119 0.09 0.66 5 112
1 20 1500 31 32 100 100 1 4 11 130 0.05 0.57 4 112
1 20 1400 31 33 100 100 1 6 13 134 0.06 0.52 4 111
1 20 1300 31 33 100 100 2 7 13 161 0.06 0.46 4 111
1 20 1200 31 33 100 100 2 7 14 150 0.08 0.40 2 111
1 20 1100 30 33 100 100 4 8 12 164 0.11 0.32 3 111
1 20 1000 31 33 100 100 6 9 11 162 0.09 0.21 3 110
1 20 900 30 33 100 100 6 8 12 155 0.05 0.12 2 110
1 20 800 29 32 100 100 6 9 13 153 0.03 0.07 2 110
1 20 700 29 31 100 100 4 8 12 152 0.02 0.04 1 109
1 20 600 28 31 100 100 4 7 9 156 0.02 0.02 1 84
1 20 500 28 31 100 100 6 9 13 168 0.00 0.00 1 110[/tt]
The blue square on the topo shows exact location (below Slate Mountain) of the photo. Sluffs would run on steep slopes near the 4400' contour in the topo, but on lower angle slopes many compression fractures would instantly appear without sluffing as shown in the photo. Very cool when safely managed, but pretty scary in most terrain.
Telemetry, photo, and location hopefully allow for much entertainment.
Northwest Weather and Avalanche Center
Mt Baker Ski Area, Washington
[tt]MM/DD Hour Temp Temp RH RH Wind Wind Wind Wind Hour Total 24 Hr Total
PST F F % % Min Avg Max Dir Prec. Prec. Snow Snow
5020' 4210' 5020' 4210' 5020' 5020' 5020' 5020' 4210' 4210' 4210' 4210'
1 22 1200 23 26 100 96 2 6 17 159 0.01 0.07 2 124
1 22 1100 23 26 100 94 2 7 16 157 0.01 0.06 2 127
1 22 1000 23 25 100 96 2 8 16 169 0.01 0.05 2 127
1 22 900 22 25 100 97 0 7 18 158 0.03 0.04 2 236
1 22 800 21 24 100 97 0 3 11 143 0.00 0.01 0 125
1 22 700 21 24 100 96 2 6 11 163 0.01 0.01 10 125
1 22 600 20 23 100 96 3 10 20 168 0.00 0.00 10 125
1 22 500 20 24 100 97 9 15 22 176 0.00 0.00 10 125
1 22 400 20 23 100 97 6 12 18 181 0.00 0.71 10 125
1 22 300 20 23 100 95 8 16 24 173 0.00 0.71 10 125
1 22 200 20 23 100 97 10 15 23 179 0.00 0.71 10 125
1 22 100 19 23 100 95 7 15 26 175 0.00 0.71 10 126
1 22 0 20 23 100 95 1 9 16 182 0.02 0.71 9 5
1 21 2300 20 23 100 95 2 8 16 195 0.02 0.69 10 126
1 21 2200 21 23 100 95 5 11 19 195 0.01 0.67 10 126
1 21 2100 20 23 100 96 3 8 20 204 0.05 0.66 9 126
1 21 2000 20 24 100 93 4 7 17 199 0.01 0.61 9 125
1 21 1900 21 24 100 97 1 7 13 184 0.01 0.60 9 328
1 21 1800 22 25 100 98 2 9 18 189 0.01 0.59 8 125
1 21 1700 22 25 100 95 3 8 14 192 0.02 0.58 8 125
1 21 1600 23 26 100 97 3 9 14 199 0.02 0.56 8 125
1 21 1500 25 27 100 97 3 8 15 204 0.04 0.54 7 324
1 21 1400 25 27 100 97 3 8 16 209 0.00 0.50 7 124
1 21 1300 25 28 100 96 1 5 8 247 0.00 0.50 7 124
1 21 1200 25 28 100 95 1 5 8 247 0.03 0.50 6 125
1 21 1100 25 28 100 98 4 6 8 193 0.02 0.47 4 124
1 21 1000 25 28 100 98 1 5 8 130 0.05 0.45 4 349
1 21 900 25 28 100 99 2 6 10 146 0.05 0.40 5 123
1 21 800 25 27 100 99 3 6 11 170 0.07 0.35 4 122
1 21 700 26 28 100 100 5 11 20 141 0.08 0.28 2 122
1 21 600 28 31 100 100 7 15 26 190 0.13 0.20 14 121
1 21 500 30 33 100 100 7 10 17 217 0.07 0.07 13 117
1 21 400 30 32 100 100 4 7 12 217 0.11 2.24 12 349
1 21 300 30 33 100 100 4 8 11 217 0.09 2.13 12 115
1 21 200 30 32 100 100 4 8 12 155 0.11 2.04 12 116
1 21 100 31 33 100 100 4 9 13 131 0.18 1.93 11 116
1 21 0 31 33 100 100 4 9 14 146 0.16 1.75 11 118
1 20 2300 30 33 100 100 5 8 13 153 0.16 1.59 11 117
1 20 2200 30 32 100 100 6 8 11 164 0.17 1.43 10 349
1 20 2100 30 33 100 100 3 6 11 149 0.16 1.26 9 115
1 20 2000 30 33 100 100 2 5 9 133 0.21 1.10 8 307
1 20 1900 31 33 100 100 0 3 11 150 0.06 0.89 7 323
1 20 1800 30 32 100 100 0 3 10 147 0.08 0.83 6 328
1 20 1700 31 32 100 100 1 5 11 136 0.09 0.75 6 113
1 20 1600 31 33 100 100 1 4 11 119 0.09 0.66 5 112
1 20 1500 31 32 100 100 1 4 11 130 0.05 0.57 4 112
1 20 1400 31 33 100 100 1 6 13 134 0.06 0.52 4 111
1 20 1300 31 33 100 100 2 7 13 161 0.06 0.46 4 111
1 20 1200 31 33 100 100 2 7 14 150 0.08 0.40 2 111
1 20 1100 30 33 100 100 4 8 12 164 0.11 0.32 3 111
1 20 1000 31 33 100 100 6 9 11 162 0.09 0.21 3 110
1 20 900 30 33 100 100 6 8 12 155 0.05 0.12 2 110
1 20 800 29 32 100 100 6 9 13 153 0.03 0.07 2 110
1 20 700 29 31 100 100 4 8 12 152 0.02 0.04 1 109
1 20 600 28 31 100 100 4 7 9 156 0.02 0.02 1 84
1 20 500 28 31 100 100 6 9 13 168 0.00 0.00 1 110[/tt]
Last edit: 14 years 3 weeks ago by daveb.
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14 years 3 weeks ago #99108
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Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
Cool!
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14 years 3 weeks ago #99111
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Replied by Marcus on topic Re: Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
That's really wild Dave -- good to see it in low angle stuff, scary elsewhere for sure...
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14 years 3 weeks ago #99118
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Replied by Jason4 on topic Re: Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
I was riding just outside of the ropes at the ski area on Sunday. I actually set the first track coming back into the ski area from the Elbow and saw lots of loose running sluff that was easy to handle. At the end of the day I was traversing across a roll and noticed shooting cracks so I retreated to lower angle/well tracked terrain. I was up again yesterday and knew that there was heavy wind transport overnight. I had pretty good luck going into Oy Valley and the Elbow again and again found myself on the upper traverse off the top of chair 8 at the end of the day. I ski cut 2 spots and had storm slab that was about 12" deep pop very easily.
Did anybody see the loose wet slide that tore through the bottom of Oy Valley on Saturday afternoon? I checked out the debris on Sunday but could not identify a crown line. I suspect that it came off of the Football Field or the double barrel chutes. It looks like it flowed around the high point and then the two flow paths met in the bottom of the gulley. It's a terrifying amount of snow that looks similar to the slide from late February of last year.
Did anybody see the loose wet slide that tore through the bottom of Oy Valley on Saturday afternoon? I checked out the debris on Sunday but could not identify a crown line. I suspect that it came off of the Football Field or the double barrel chutes. It looks like it flowed around the high point and then the two flow paths met in the bottom of the gulley. It's a terrifying amount of snow that looks similar to the slide from late February of last year.
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14 years 3 weeks ago - 14 years 3 weeks ago #99203
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Replied by chuck on topic Re: Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
On Sunday 1/22 We experienced similar disconcerting settling and a small slide. We were in the lower pitch (~600vf) of the swift creek trees coming off Kulshan ridge. Coming off the Kulshan ridge was way too scary for us on this day (and anyone else apparently). We took the usual skin track out of swift creek and then made our way south along the bottom of Austin pass about 2-300 yards. Our goal was to stay in low angle, low elevation trees and pick conservative lines. The snow was amazing, such that it was refilling on every lap.
In this vid I was tucked off in a safe spot on a bordering treed slight ridge watching my buddy run thru to the next safe spot. We had identified the convex rollover that moves in earlier laps and made efforts to stay off of it.
In the next run there was a navigation mistake and he ended up in a wind created runnel that we couldn't make out from above, given the tough viz. The snow settled with a turn in and moved about 4 feet before stopping. With a bit of nervous radio communication, we made an escape plan. I found a safe observer spot and he pointed it the hell out of there. At the bottom we regrouped over hot totties and decided to call it a day.
All the snow that moved was soft wind slab about 4-6 inches deep. The bit that moved in the video was filled in by the next lap, ready for the next bold skier. The deposition we skied thru was not hard at all, and if we didn't see it move would have assumed to be big sluff. It likely wouldn't have buried a skier but it certainly could have smashed one into those tress to injury.
In this vid I was tucked off in a safe spot on a bordering treed slight ridge watching my buddy run thru to the next safe spot. We had identified the convex rollover that moves in earlier laps and made efforts to stay off of it.
In the next run there was a navigation mistake and he ended up in a wind created runnel that we couldn't make out from above, given the tough viz. The snow settled with a turn in and moved about 4 feet before stopping. With a bit of nervous radio communication, we made an escape plan. I found a safe observer spot and he pointed it the hell out of there. At the bottom we regrouped over hot totties and decided to call it a day.
All the snow that moved was soft wind slab about 4-6 inches deep. The bit that moved in the video was filled in by the next lap, ready for the next bold skier. The deposition we skied thru was not hard at all, and if we didn't see it move would have assumed to be big sluff. It likely wouldn't have buried a skier but it certainly could have smashed one into those tress to injury.
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14 years 2 weeks ago #99291
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Replied by peteyboy on topic Re: Baker BC - very reactive surface layer observation
With Swift being the go to place in higher danger with high wind, it's good to remember that the skier's right high wall just at the entrance to each of those first three chutes heading south of the main Swift bowl toward Huntoon all are short convex wind-slabbed rollovers, and the gullies will allow the skier-triggered slide snow to concentrate and accelerate in the gut - and if you don't high-side out like he did, you'll get flushed through the little trees in front of you if it runs far enough.
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