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14 years 1 month ago - 14 years 1 month ago #97648 by GerryH
EDIT by Marcus -- this is a split off topic from the Cement Basin post here .

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Nice images, nice day, nice terrain, nice snow......but am I missing something here?  Leeward slope, over a foot of wind transported snow, rotten, breakable crust beneath the wind transported, and short slopes yo yo'd in what appears to be a 25 to 35 degree range.  And then a pit dug (before or after making the 'to ski it' decision?), at 35 degrees, with a CT 7, maybe Q1 quality. With some sun,  perhaps some warming, snow settling, soft slab forming if not already a bit wind compacted?  Safe travel practice employed? - hard to tell from picture angles.

The point is, are my friend (who alerted me to the post) and I the only two of the 670 readers of this post, who up to this time have read this post and  wondered a bit about the decision making process leading to this story?   No one else has posted wondering.   I hope not.  It is probably perfectly explainable, I just don't have all the info.       Just thinking.   Gerry
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14 years 1 month ago #97651 by Pete A
Hi Gerry,

I'm happy to provide some additional info. I probably should've provided some more details from the get-go so that folks would have a better idea of what we were skiing and our decision process...

I did the tap test on a column after our first lap. On our first lap we stuck to very mellow terrain...most of the terrain was less than 25 degrees... the only real exception being that I was actually looking for something steeper so I could do some kind of test, and mid-way through our first lap, when the other skiers were in a safe spot, I did ski cut and stomp a couple very short 35 degree rolls to see if I could get the new snow to move...I didn't get any whoomps, shooting cracks, just a little sluffing.

Before we started our first run, and on our skin up through Bullion, we poked around and looked at the snowpack, and I dug a few hasty pits but because we weren't near a steep pitch, any kind of tap test info would've been skewed (at least thats been my experience in the past trying to assign a tap failure number to a slope that has a rather shallow angle). We figured given what we'd seen from the snowpack on the way up, and what we saw at the top of our first run, it was perfectly reasonably to ski something way less than prime angle and take a closer look at the snowpack when we found something steeper.

I had to veer out of our skin track which was set on a fairly mellow pitch to find a short 35 degree roll to dig the pit on so that we could get a more accurate read on how the crust and new snow was behaving. Given what we found, we continued lapping the mellower pitches we had already skied and deliberately avoided moving into some lines that had a continuous steep pitch.

As for the sun....it was dumb luck that we started our first lap and I snapped some pics right when the sun came out...my guess is that we had sunshine for about 20 minutes before it was overcast the rest of the day. The sun didn't make any obvious changes to the snow we were skiing (it certainly might've effected it some, but not that we could tell)...the snow was still rather light on our second lap when the sky was overcast.

Though the sun was certainly on my mind, and if we had been on a direct south exposure (we were on an east facing slope), its certainly possible that the brief shot of sun we got would've been enough to cause the new snow to become more cohesive and have some slabby instead of sluffy behavior.

Hopefully that helps clear things up. If you think we were behaving recklessly, I'm always welcome to hear constructive criticism.

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14 years 1 month ago #97654 by Eli3
I think biggest surprise for me for the day was seeing so many tracks down the hourglass - hard crust with 8-10" of wind effected snow on a 35-40 degree lee slope that has a history of avy accidents. With such undulating terrain into the narrow portion of the run, we assumed a pit to be pretty worthless since so many aspects are touched on the way down. We did the mellower slope to skiers left and did not see any cracking, but from the poor bonding we saw on the south side of east peak skinning up (skinning above the skin track caused 8" slab to brake loose in multiple areas), we avoided the hourglass.... I guess things were bonded better than we thought!

I was very surprised at the moderate danger predicted by NWAC too - there was lots of wind transport & loading after it stopped raining.

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14 years 1 month ago #97657 by GerryH
Thanks so much, Pete, and to your crew.  I hope everyone can revisit both your original and your recent update post, because together they paint the kind of picture we all want to emulate. 

Maintaining good group communications, having your antenna up and being observant your entire trip, maintaining individual and group consciousness, having a plan, sticking to it while choosing the right terrain, safely testing the snowpack, all are so critical to staying safe while still getting the goods. 

I don't hold myself up as an expert to judge others, but have and am investing a lot of time in avalanche education - as both a student and instructor.  And am sometimes outspoken in my opinions.  I think those of us fortunate enough to have gained a lot of avalanche experience, and education, have a responsibility to those at the beginning of their backcountry experiences, to share our knowledge - as others did  for us.  And it was in that spirit that I offered up my comments. Sometimes taking a few extra sentences of explanation can dispel that ski film bravado of just jumping into it and letting it rip, when in fact those ski stars have their heli hovering just out of camera sight and a crew of avy rescue professionals & first aiders on standbye  - just in case.  So I'd say your turns were very well earned.  Thanks!  Gerry

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14 years 1 month ago - 14 years 1 month ago #97661 by Amar Andalkar
Well, if we're going to analyze the avy hazard and decision-making here, might as well link to the available forecasts and data for reference:

Danger rose for all zones near and west of the Cascade crest:
http://www.nwac.us/dangerrose/preview/2043/

NWAC avy forecast from Sunday, Dec 25, the latest available before this trip: www.nwac.us/archive/sabsea_2011-12-25-1115.html

The updated avy forecast on Dec 26 did not increase the hazard rating either, the key statement perhaps being that "no avalanches were reported upon control work at Stevens Pass or Crystal Mountain Monday morning": www.nwac.us/archive/sabsea_2011-12-26-1236.html

Weather summary: On Dec 25, the Crystal Mountain area had unexpectedly received the most snowfall of any location in the Cascades, with 9" new reported by the ski area and 7" new showing on the Green Valley NWAC telemetry -- no other measurement site had more than 5-6" new that day, with most closer to 2" new. The new snow at Crystal had fallen from 11am to 8pm during moderately strong W and NW winds, see telemetry below. Field reports verified that 9" new snow amount on flat protected slopes, such as in Bullion Basin.

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I skied several runs on the same slopes and other neighboring slopes with another group that day, and thought that the avalanche danger was Low-to-Moderate at most. It was certainly not Considerable (meaning "Natural avalanches possible; human-triggered avalanches likely.") in any location or aspect that we skinned or skied. Natural avalanches did not appear to be possible, and human-triggered avalanches appeared to be very unlikely.

I think the reason for the relatively low-ish hazard was that the deeper areas of new snow (wherever the wind had transported the snow) felt generally cohesionless, not slabby, and the only slightly slabby areas were the wind-hammered slopes which had much less new snow atop the crust. There's not much avy hazard when the so-called slabs are 2-4" deep maximum, and have no fracture energy or propagation whatsoever. Not sure about where someone saw those 8" slabs beside the skin track up the SW side of East Peak -- we skinned up the same skin track and saw only 2-4" deep mini-slabs (like 1 ski-length in size) beside the skin track in a couple spots, even those only on the iciest sections of smooth old sun crust.

We started the day by breaking trail into Bullion Basin and up Point 6479 (Bullion Peak ?) via its N face and NW ridge. Conditions felt totally stable underfoot while putting in the skin track, even on every steep roll on the open face and ridge, nothing was slabby or sliding. We skied down the N face (an obvious big avy slope) in very stable conditions. Slight slabbiness right near the summit where the new snow was wind-hammered and thin (0-4"), but that was just a breakable windcrust that was not sliding anywhere. Then again cohesionless and not slabby or wind-affected at all just a bit lower as soon as the snow got deep enough (say 6-8") to be fun skiing.

When the sun came out at the end of that run (around 11:30am), we decided to head up the SW side of East Peak just to get out of the very cold shade and enjoy the sunshine. We were just planning to ski the SW side, but decided to ski the steeper NE and ENE aspects (30-40 degrees) from the summit of East Peak only after seeing a handful of ski tracks having already descended safely down this aspect (another obvious big avy slope). We found excellent stable powder with absolutely nothing sliding or moving, and quite deep, generally 9-12" deep all the way down to the flats at 5900 ft. Nice enough to ski 2 runs down there. We dug no pits.

Regarding sun and warming: at this time of year, the sun can really only affect steep S-facing slopes due to its very low angle and limited range of azimuth. All other aspects and slope angles get very minimal insolation even on a totally sunny day -- they are almost immune. Despite the sun being out for a while this day (full sun for maybe 20-30 minutes, partial filtered sun for maybe 2-3 hours), even the steep S and SW facing slope from the summit of East Peak showed almost no signs of sun effect. When we finally skied back down at sunset, there was no breakable sun crust, just very nice stable powder once we dropped below the thin wind-hammered areas up high. So other slopes (everything not steep S-facing) obviously had zero sun effect this day. There was very little warming during the day, and the next incoming storm did not arrive until late afternoon, with very light snowfall beginning near 4pm (too light to show up on telemetry).

Some photos of our day:

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14 years 1 month ago #97664 by Zap
Amar, I love the last photo with a great "face shot" . ;)

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