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Snowmobiles in wilderness areas
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8 years 9 months ago #229530
by river59
Snowmobiles in wilderness areas was created by river59
I spend 30 -50 days/year touring around mt adams, and have been noticing an increasing number of sleds entering the wilderness. The majority of them don't appear to be carrying packs (shovels, probes), and I'm guessing they aren't equiped with transcievers.
This past weekend I had the great displeasure of several of them highmarking directly above the drainage I was climbing.
I wonder if this is common in all areas, or is it a GPNF problem? Do you have a problem with it and what do you think we can do to change it?
This past weekend I had the great displeasure of several of them highmarking directly above the drainage I was climbing.
I wonder if this is common in all areas, or is it a GPNF problem? Do you have a problem with it and what do you think we can do to change it?
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8 years 9 months ago #229536
by T. Eastman
Replied by T. Eastman on topic Re: Snowmobiles in wilderness areas
This is the result of Bundy Red Neck Derangement Syndrome...
... an excess of internal combustion engine exhaust, poor physical conditioning, and flagging masculinity seem to be the cause...
... an excess of internal combustion engine exhaust, poor physical conditioning, and flagging masculinity seem to be the cause...
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8 years 9 months ago #229537
by aaron_wright
Replied by aaron_wright on topic Re: Snowmobiles in wilderness areas
If they are in the Wilderness area call the FS LEO and also contact local snowmobile clubs. If you are close enough,take pictures of the riders and sleds, try and get the DOL sticker in the pic. This is hard because a lot of snowmobilers don't renew the registration on older sleds.
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8 years 9 months ago #229538
by Good2Go
Replied by Good2Go on topic Re: Snowmobiles in wilderness areas
Wilderness poaching isn't common or acceptable. I have been sled-access touring around the south end of the Alpine Lakes Wilderness (via Salmon la Sac and Teanaway) frequently over the past 12 years and have only seen tracks on the wrong side of the crest a handful of times. That said, I heard a rumor that the FS and/or the tribe is using a heli to catch poachers on Adams. Give them a call and report what you've been seeing. Also, in over 10 years of sledding, I've never once seen a sledder get off their sled to perform any stability assessment. They rely on the NWAC report, visual clues and the general stability of our snowpack (i.e., luck) most of the time. One would think they would be caught in slides way more often, but it turns out their approach is not really all that flawed (from a statistical perspective, that is).
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8 years 9 months ago #229539
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Replied by dberdinka on topic Re: Snowmobiles in wilderness areas
I've seen sled tracks on the summit of Yellow Aster Butte midwinter. Which is many, very complex, miles into the wilderness boundary. Presumably that wasn't a one time occurrence but it's not an area that sees a lot of human powered traffic to cause conflict. I imagine there's a lot more spillover near the boundary there. Agreed with reporting to FS LEO but hard to imagine much of an effective response in this day and age.
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8 years 9 months ago #229540
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Replied by water on topic Re: Snowmobiles in wilderness areas
this sledding in mt adams wilderness is quite common actually.
i've documented photos of it in 2015 the low snow year, they were all over up there since it was the only place with snow (above 5 and 6k).
drive.google.com/open?id=0BxYl3RAqCQBbX05JT1g1WmNfOTg
I've also got screenshots from instagram of users who have documented their forays into the wilderness and the yakima reservation by bird creek meadows (also off limits to snomos).
i spoke with the wilderness ranger at the time. You might be surprised if I told you they don't have a lot of resources to catch these people. that was sarcasm.
i've documented photos of it in 2015 the low snow year, they were all over up there since it was the only place with snow (above 5 and 6k).
drive.google.com/open?id=0BxYl3RAqCQBbX05JT1g1WmNfOTg
I've also got screenshots from instagram of users who have documented their forays into the wilderness and the yakima reservation by bird creek meadows (also off limits to snomos).
i spoke with the wilderness ranger at the time. You might be surprised if I told you they don't have a lot of resources to catch these people. that was sarcasm.
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