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Colchuck avalanche
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9 years 6 months ago #227249
by jaronheard
Replied by jaronheard on topic Re: Colchuck avalanche
From the comments from the poster of the Instagram video:
"A rock fall the size of a pickup truck is what caused the slide. The snow was not wet, it was firm."
"A rock fall the size of a pickup truck is what caused the slide. The snow was not wet, it was firm."
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9 years 6 months ago #227253
by mikerolfs
Replied by mikerolfs on topic Re: Colchuck avalanche
Here is my hypothesis.
1. Rock falls from above (off Colchuck) and pierces snowpack
2. Snow at bed surface is rotted and provides inadequate resistance to stop the rock. Rock slides below the snow surface down glacial ice and then down the polished granite slope like a wedge or chisel. Rock goes fast and plows beneath competent surface snow, pulverizing it. Pulverized snow falls back to bed surface (behind rock) and slowly starts to slide down the slope inside the channel
3. Rock stops. Pulverized snow in channel slides downhill, hits rock, jumps out of channel and fans out.
If this was the mechanism, I'd bet that almost no surface snow below the channel was entrained, and that the entire debris pile consists of the snow from the channel. Also, I expect to find the big rock wedged in the snow pack at the end of the clean channel.
1. Rock falls from above (off Colchuck) and pierces snowpack
2. Snow at bed surface is rotted and provides inadequate resistance to stop the rock. Rock slides below the snow surface down glacial ice and then down the polished granite slope like a wedge or chisel. Rock goes fast and plows beneath competent surface snow, pulverizing it. Pulverized snow falls back to bed surface (behind rock) and slowly starts to slide down the slope inside the channel
3. Rock stops. Pulverized snow in channel slides downhill, hits rock, jumps out of channel and fans out.
If this was the mechanism, I'd bet that almost no surface snow below the channel was entrained, and that the entire debris pile consists of the snow from the channel. Also, I expect to find the big rock wedged in the snow pack at the end of the clean channel.
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9 years 6 months ago #227254
by ddavis
Replied by ddavis on topic Re: Colchuck avalanche
Mike, Great theory; which is very likely the scenario that happened. Nice "engineering" sketches. It makes total sense to me and hope that is what happened and not a new normal because, if it was a rock induced event, it would be a rarer occurrence. Like others have said, the videos posted also put a "shiver" in my groin and your theory may let me breath a little easier. Will you please stamp the sketches.
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9 years 6 months ago #227255
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I'll stamp them "the rock-mole hypothesis"
I plan to go look at it later this week. I'll report back what we find.
Replied by mikerolfs on topic Re: Colchuck avalanche
Will you please stamp the sketches.
I plan to go look at it later this week. I'll report back what we find.
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9 years 6 months ago #227256
by kamtron
Replied by kamtron on topic Re: Colchuck avalanche
In the video, it looks a lot like I'd imagine a lahar to be. Rock gets mixed up with snow and ice chunks, which flow downhill in a slurry. It's impressive the amount of material moving down the Colchuck.
Have you guys seen the pictures of the Boulder glacier debris flow that occured this year on Baker/Sherman peak? That one also ran an impressive distance. I went and camped on Boulder ridge a couple weeks back and saw debris from that event below the toe of the glacier, near where the trail reaches the fixed rope up onto Boulder ridge. And the starting point for that flow was the top of Sherman peak.
Have you guys seen the pictures of the Boulder glacier debris flow that occured this year on Baker/Sherman peak? That one also ran an impressive distance. I went and camped on Boulder ridge a couple weeks back and saw debris from that event below the toe of the glacier, near where the trail reaches the fixed rope up onto Boulder ridge. And the starting point for that flow was the top of Sherman peak.
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9 years 6 months ago #227257
by T. Eastman
Replied by T. Eastman on topic Re: Colchuck avalanche
Mike, add free flowing water into the mix...
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