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10 years 1 month ago #225735 by thunderchief
Replied by thunderchief on topic Re: Olympic NP- Electro Magnetic Warfare Range
The transmitters involved here are weak, far away, and produce non-ionizing radiation.

There is absolutely no threat, no noticeable change, that could ever be attributed to the EM radiation produced in these tests.

Noise might increase if more jets flight more often.

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10 years 3 weeks ago #225853 by ~Link~
The Navy's statements, from what I've read and discerned, are weak at best.

Similar to stopping coal trains, and methanol plants from being constructed; I'm interested in a stop to all of this environmental-exploitation and on-going rationalizing of our natural resources. These ignorant, age-old, EGOcentric behaviors need to cease.

Thanks for those who have signed and posted. Here are a few more links that may be redundant to what's been posted on this thread... Nonetheless...

Peace


www.truth-out.org/news/item/34367-exclus...n-domestic-war-games


files.ctctcdn.com/f1c93a4d401/9c40fd14-f...d4a-52786f64f390.pdf

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10 years 3 weeks ago - 10 years 3 weeks ago #225915 by runcle

So this doesn't make any mention of the increase in air traffic associated with the proposed changes. It just lists the hours that the mobile emitters would be in use.

I don't see these numbers anywhere in the document linked above (and there is no section number 2.7.1.1). At any rate, wherever those numbers come from (do you have a link to another navy document that describes them?), they don't necessarily correlate to an equivalent increase in air traffic (just an increase in EM warfare training events).

The thing that would worry me most is an increase in noise. And the only claims I can find from the Navy state that there would be a 10% increase in air traffic and no increase in perceived noise.



An increase in EM warfare training events means that there will be a direct increase in air traffic.  The signals that are being emitted are for the Growlers to pick up. Section 2.7.1.1 is in the January 2014 DRAFT EIS available on the Navy's own web site.

How can you have an increase in air traffic and no increase in perceived noise. The Navy would have you to believe that this whole Peninsula is so vast and unpopulated that there is nobody around to perceive the increase in noise.

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10 years 3 weeks ago #225917 by thunderchief
Replied by thunderchief on topic Re: Olympic NP- Electro Magnetic Warfare Range
The new missions could be at a high enough altitude that you do not hear them.

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10 years 3 weeks ago #225918 by philfort
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An increase in EM warfare training events means that there will be a direct increase in air traffic.  The signals that are being emitted are for the Growlers to pick up. Section 2.7.1.1 is in the January 2014 DRAFT EIS available on the Navy's own web site.


To be clear, I said it doesn't correlate to an equivalent increase in air traffic. You claimed (or insinuated) a 72% increase in EM training events meant a 72% increase in military air traffic. That's incorrect, because most military traffic is not EM training.

You can throw numbers around like that to scare or cleverly deceive people, but it's disingenuous.

Thus, while there may be a 72% increase (or whatever) in EM training events, that can still be consistent with the 10% increase in air traffic that the Navy is claiming.

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10 years 3 weeks ago #225920 by Randito


The Navy would have you to believe that this whole Peninsula is so vast and unpopulated that there is nobody around to perceive the increase in noise.


An the navy wouldn't really be wrong in that:

Jefferson County               17 people per sq mi
Grays Harbor County         37 people per sq mi
Clallam County                 42 people per sq mi
Mason County                  63 people per sq mi
King County                    983 people per sq mi
Manhattan County NY   71,672 people per sq mi

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