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10 years 1 month ago - 10 years 1 month ago #225368
by bfree32
Ski bases? Yes. Skin bases? No, not very well.
At least in my experience. The process was a pain in the ass and the results weren't very good, so I'll gladly be buying a new pair of skins for an extra ~$60 instead next time. They'll last longer anyway.
edit: maybe I'll try the gold label next time. But the sheets suck.
Replied by bfree32 on topic Re: Re-glue skins
Do the transfer strips stick to ski bases as well as the naptha-laden Gold Label? I've been less impressed with the glue on recent BD skins than with my older Gold-Label re-glued skins.
Ski bases? Yes. Skin bases? No, not very well.
At least in my experience. The process was a pain in the ass and the results weren't very good, so I'll gladly be buying a new pair of skins for an extra ~$60 instead next time. They'll last longer anyway.
edit: maybe I'll try the gold label next time. But the sheets suck.
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10 years 1 month ago #225369
by Jim_Clement
Replied by Jim_Clement on topic Re: Re-glue skins
Apply blue painter's tape to the plush side of your skins prior to spreading on glue. There's no way you can avoid accidentally getting some glue on the plush, and this will protect it. Warming the glue beforehand is a really good idea. Warmed glue applies easily with a spreader, such as a Popsicle stick.
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10 years 1 month ago #225370
by Randito
Replied by Randito on topic Re: Re-glue skins
I've had good results with Gold-Label -- but more as a summer project -- where I can let thin layers of glue dry in warm temps for several days between coats.
I can say for sure that a thick layer of gold label applied at 11:00PM the night before a tour and left to dry in a 45 F garage for a 6:00AM departure is a fricking disaster.
I can say for sure that a thick layer of gold label applied at 11:00PM the night before a tour and left to dry in a 45 F garage for a 6:00AM departure is a fricking disaster.
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10 years 1 month ago #225371
by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Re-glue skins
Totally agreed with both Jim and Randy. The blue painter's tape is an essential, especially with warm glue, which will run into the plush more readily. I use an expired credit card as a spreader; it's wide and stiff, but not too wide.
Thin layers, cured at least a day in a warm place after the final application, are key. It'll stink up your house if cured inside.
Thin layers, cured at least a day in a warm place after the final application, are key. It'll stink up your house if cured inside.
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10 years 1 month ago #225391
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Replied by Edgesport on topic Re: Re-glue skins
Thank you all for your input. Painter's tape to the plush side of the skins prior to gluing is essential. Warming the glue to apply a thin layer prior to using the transfer rolls is key! The Black Diamond Gold Label Glue Renew Transfer Rolls worked great but you have to be careful when you line up the roll prior rolling it out or your going to track off to one side. I set the heat of the iron at just below cotton/wool and kept the iron moving. Then immediately pressed it with a roller. I did this three times and let it cool. So many little things to be careful of as you go but a heat gun and puddy knife make the fixes easy because you can heat the puddy knife to fix glue smudges / mistakes instead of adding more glue from the tube. I thought I Ventilated enough but I didn't. The true test will be on the mountain Wednesday.
This Facewest video was very helpful as well:
Looks like bubbles in the image but there are none.
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/1928856_10207742676380237_5894087117388177466_n.jpg?oh=6c1765494274ae14ce0675622061ef31&oe=57204865
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This Facewest video was very helpful as well:
Looks like bubbles in the image but there are none.
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/1928856_10207742676380237_5894087117388177466_n.jpg?oh=6c1765494274ae14ce0675622061ef31&oe=57204865
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10 years 1 month ago #225396
by markharf
Replied by markharf on topic Re: Re-glue skins
Looks like a good job to me. The only tip I'd add to what's been said above is that you can brush on Gold Label--patching thin spots or re-gluing entire skins--followed by heating with a heat gun. That'll give a nice, even coat as well as encouraging a good bond between skin fabric and glue, or between old and new adhesive.
Caveat: I don't know how close to the glue's flash point the tip of a heat gun is, but it's worth considering the consequences should all those fumes ignite.
I've never bothered taping the plush side of skins; using a disposable bristle paintbrush creates very little mess. And the bit of adhesive which did once get into the working part of a skin never bothered me--it looks ugly, but doesn't interfere with function.
As always, YMMV.
Mark
Caveat: I don't know how close to the glue's flash point the tip of a heat gun is, but it's worth considering the consequences should all those fumes ignite.
I've never bothered taping the plush side of skins; using a disposable bristle paintbrush creates very little mess. And the bit of adhesive which did once get into the working part of a skin never bothered me--it looks ugly, but doesn't interfere with function.
As always, YMMV.
Mark
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