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10 years 6 months ago #224728
by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Canister camp stove concern
Thank you for the knowledge; glad all ended better than it might've. Can't address the usage-safety concerns, but canisters can be vented and punched with one of these, then recycled:
www.jetboil.com/Products/CrunchIt/
Creative/handy people can find a way to vent/punch them without a specialized tool, but the tool sure makes it easy.
www.jetboil.com/Products/CrunchIt/
Creative/handy people can find a way to vent/punch them without a specialized tool, but the tool sure makes it easy.
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10 years 6 months ago #224731
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I hit mine hard with an ice axe to punch a hole and then recycle them.
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Where do millions of canisters go to rest..?
I hit mine hard with an ice axe to punch a hole and then recycle them.
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10 years 6 months ago #224732
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Replied by runningclouds on topic Re: Canister camp stove concern
Thanks for the info David, I am glad it all ended relatively well. I have entertained the idea of buying a portable oven for kayaking trips before.
Some years ago, a friend of mine left two new canisters in his car. When he came back from his multiday trip he found one canister popped its bottom while the other one exploded. The explosion destroyed clothing and shoes and did some damage to the trunk. The car was parked in the sun during a heatwave and my friend estimated that the temperature inside the trunk might have reached 140°F, perhaps more (the car was too hot to touch on his return). Since then whenever I need to leave a canister behind at trailhead I stash it somewhere outside. Perhaps a bit paranoid but I think it is better to be safe than sorry.
I am not sure more warning labels will help, it is a dirty secret that the warnings are not read by people who might benefit from reading them. As a graphic designer I have been invovled with outdoor and fitness products and it is largely the legal department that insists on these warnings as a response to past incidents, i.e. to protect the company first and foremost and then, maybe, inform the consumer.
Whether the gas stoves are safer than the white gas stoves (or any other camping stove) remains to be seen. But I do know all of them have a safe window of operations and if that window is not respected a problem will arise. Unfortunately there are many things that come into play including ambient temparature, wind, air pressure, the equipment itself to spell out all the possibilities.
I think your post, your sharing the experience will help more people than any warning label might. So thank you for that!
Some years ago, a friend of mine left two new canisters in his car. When he came back from his multiday trip he found one canister popped its bottom while the other one exploded. The explosion destroyed clothing and shoes and did some damage to the trunk. The car was parked in the sun during a heatwave and my friend estimated that the temperature inside the trunk might have reached 140°F, perhaps more (the car was too hot to touch on his return). Since then whenever I need to leave a canister behind at trailhead I stash it somewhere outside. Perhaps a bit paranoid but I think it is better to be safe than sorry.
I am not sure more warning labels will help, it is a dirty secret that the warnings are not read by people who might benefit from reading them. As a graphic designer I have been invovled with outdoor and fitness products and it is largely the legal department that insists on these warnings as a response to past incidents, i.e. to protect the company first and foremost and then, maybe, inform the consumer.
Whether the gas stoves are safer than the white gas stoves (or any other camping stove) remains to be seen. But I do know all of them have a safe window of operations and if that window is not respected a problem will arise. Unfortunately there are many things that come into play including ambient temparature, wind, air pressure, the equipment itself to spell out all the possibilities.
I think your post, your sharing the experience will help more people than any warning label might. So thank you for that!
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10 years 6 months ago #224734
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Tending to agree that a more robust warning label will make little difference is why I'm not turning this into a fight. But this doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I'm pretty sure that at the margin, many would be safer.
A comparison of relative safety between canister and white gas/multi-fuel would be interesting to see. My feeling is that the latter wins the day in addition to being more versatile.
The camp oven has been a great part of my kit for years ~ need a new one now, and back to the Dragonfly. Google ''Outback Oven Ultralight'' and you'll see a few examples of the Backpackers Pantry Outback Oven being used over canisters, and even on an instructional You Tube video. tsk..
A comparison of relative safety between canister and white gas/multi-fuel would be interesting to see. My feeling is that the latter wins the day in addition to being more versatile.
The camp oven has been a great part of my kit for years ~ need a new one now, and back to the Dragonfly. Google ''Outback Oven Ultralight'' and you'll see a few examples of the Backpackers Pantry Outback Oven being used over canisters, and even on an instructional You Tube video. tsk..
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10 years 6 months ago #224735
by Lowell_Skoog
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I've used wind screens with cannister stoves for years without incident.
However I've always been careful to keep the flame low, both to save fuel and to keep the stove from getting too hot. I don't own, and have never used, a camp oven.
Maybe I've just been lucky and using wind screens is stupid. Or maybe, if you're a careful and attentive person, using a wind screen can be safe.
My inclination is to continue being careful with the stove setting and continue using a wind screen. Without a wind screen, a cannister stove is pretty useless in my view. Maybe this means they are useless in general.
Happy to hear opinions on this. Maybe I'll change my mind.
However I've always been careful to keep the flame low, both to save fuel and to keep the stove from getting too hot. I don't own, and have never used, a camp oven.
Maybe I've just been lucky and using wind screens is stupid. Or maybe, if you're a careful and attentive person, using a wind screen can be safe.
My inclination is to continue being careful with the stove setting and continue using a wind screen. Without a wind screen, a cannister stove is pretty useless in my view. Maybe this means they are useless in general.
Happy to hear opinions on this. Maybe I'll change my mind.
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