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11 years 8 months ago - 11 years 8 months ago #222440 by mattfirth
Comment on snowmobile, snowbike use. was created by mattfirth
The Forest Service is taking comments on the proposal to manage over snow vehicles - read snowmobiles and snowbikes - as a result of the 2013 court decision that's been discussed here.

It's important that as many people as possible comment. Let em know what you think.




Release No. 0123.14

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Forest Service Press Office (202) 205-1134



U.S. Forest Service Seeks Comments on Over-Snow Vehicle Proposal



WASHINGTON, June 13, 2014 – The U.S. Forest Service next week will publish a Federal Register Notice seeking public comment on a proposal that would help standardize where and when over-snow vehicles, such as snowmobiles, are used on national forests and grasslands.

"Over-the-snow access and recreation is an appropriate use of public lands, and we strive to offer a variety of opportunities for that," said U.S. Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell. "We believe it is essential that the public be engaged in decisions regarding travel management on the forests and grasslands, and we encourage the public to review the proposal and provide comments to help improve the final rule."

Motor vehicle use on national forests and grasslands is governed by the Travel Management Rule which provides for a system of roads, trails and areas that are designated for motor vehicles. Over-snow vehicles—vehicles designed for use over snow and that run on a track and/or a ski or skis—are currently treated differently from other motor vehicles by giving forest and grassland supervisors the discretion to develop a similar system for over-snow vehicles. In 2013, a federal court ruled that this violates Executive Order 11644, "Use of off-road vehicles on public lands." The court ordered that the Forest Service must regulate over-snow use, but does have the discretion to determine where and when over-snow vehicle use can occur on agency lands.

In accordance with the court's ruling, the Federal Register notice proposes amending the existing Travel Management Rule to establish consistent guidance for how forests and grasslands decide the appropriate use for over-snow vehicles. Over-snow vehicles are used for recreational purposes as well as work tasks that include gathering firewood or subsistence hunting.

The Federal Register Notice for the proposal is scheduled to be published Wednesday, June 18, 2014. The public will have 45 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register to comment on the proposed revisions. The Forest Service intends to publish the final rule change by Sept. 9, 2014.

Nationally, the Forest Service manages over 200,000 miles of roads and 47,000 miles of trails that are open to motor vehicle use. The roads and trails vary greatly, from single-track trails used by motorcycles to roads designed for high-clearance vehicles such as logging trucks.

The mission of the U.S. Forest Service, an agency of the Department of Agriculture, is to sustain the health, diversity and productivity of the nation's forests and grasslands to meet the needs of present and future generations. The agency manages 193 million acres of public land, provides assistance to state and private landowners and maintains the largest forestry research organization in the world. Public lands the U.S. Forest Service manages contribute more than $13 billion to the economy each year through visitor spending alone. Those same lands provide 20 percent of the nation's clean water supply, a value estimated at $7.2 billion per year. The agency also has either a direct or indirect role in stewardship of about 80 percent of the 850 million forested acres within the U.S., of which 100 million acres are urban forests where most Americans live.

For more information about today's release see www.fs.fed.us/publications/over-snow-vehicle-faqs.pdf

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11 years 8 months ago #222442 by str8ryder
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Thank god for Canada.

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11 years 8 months ago #222443 by Pinch
Amen brother!
At least we get our sliver of Alpine in Whatcom Co. for two more years... blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/06/mou...-backcountry-trails/

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11 years 8 months ago #222446 by aaron_wright
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Amen brother!
At least we get our sliver of Alpine in Whatcom Co. for two more years... blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/06/mou...-backcountry-trails/

Is that what you got from reading that article? I didn't see anything in that article that was about off trail sledding in the alpine. The grants are for trial maintenance and grooming of snow mobile trails. I doubt if snowmobile trail grooming will go away with this new action on the Travel Management Plan, off trail riding might be restricted though and sooner than two years.

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11 years 8 months ago #222447 by nbsar

Is that what you got from reading that article? I didn't see anything in that article that was about off trail sledding in the alpine. The grants are for trial maintenance and grooming of snow mobile trails. I doubt if snowmobile trail grooming will go away with this new action on the Travel Management Plan, off trail riding might be restricted though and sooner than two years.


Without off-trail riding, there won't be much money for grooming. A pretty high percentage of Washington Snowmobilers are not interested in road rides. Their registrations pay for grooming and plowing.

Without responsible recreational backcountry snow machine use, any chance of catching or discouraging wilderness violators is gone, too.

I'll let others speculate on the ramifications for SAR in places that have Snowmobile based rescuers, like Mt Baker.

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11 years 8 months ago #222448 by aaron_wright
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There are a lot of folks interested in riding the groomed trails in my experience and observation. Riders on touring sleds in the Blewett and Colockum groomed trail system out number the folks on long track mountain sleds. Before the advent of lighter weight, more powerful long track sleds snowmobilers were stuck on groomed trails or ungroomed roads and areas with shallow gradients and people still rode sleds.

Actually it would be easier for other users and LE to catch illegal use of snowmachines if they were confined to designated roads and trails because if they strayed everyone would know. Currently you can ride across Wilderness boundaries with impunity because unless you are caught inside the boundary you're fine, if restricted to designated routes and caught even near Wilderness it would be illegal.

I really don't know why SAR would be affected, snowmobiles would still be allowed for those uses just like helicopters in Wilderness areas are now.

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