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12 years 2 weeks ago #220125
by Randito
Have you actually skied the Alien 1.0 ? The carbon cuff isn't as stiff as an alpine boot, but it is stiffer than my old MegaRides.
Replied by Randito on topic Re: New 22-Designs NTN Binding
.., but I would not be interested in an alien like boot, it would be too soft for my needs.
Have you actually skied the Alien 1.0 ? The carbon cuff isn't as stiff as an alpine boot, but it is stiffer than my old MegaRides.
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12 years 2 weeks ago #220126
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Replied by hop on topic Re: New 22-Designs NTN Binding
It sounds like what people want from Scarpa is an NTN version of the Alien (lighter, summer, meadow-skipping, ski-mountaineering) AND Freedom (extremo hard chargers), both with tech inserts for the TTS/tech people.
I'm all for it. Pretty much everyone would win except for those 75mm holdouts, and they won't be around for long anyways.
Funny how people's priorities are though; I just spent a couple weeks touring in my TX-comps and only once put my boots in walk mode.
Re. stiffness - the only place I don't like the softness of the TX-pro is the bellows. Cuff and tongue-wise they're fine. Where are other folks noticing the softness?
I'm all for it. Pretty much everyone would win except for those 75mm holdouts, and they won't be around for long anyways.
Funny how people's priorities are though; I just spent a couple weeks touring in my TX-comps and only once put my boots in walk mode.
Re. stiffness - the only place I don't like the softness of the TX-pro is the bellows. Cuff and tongue-wise they're fine. Where are other folks noticing the softness?
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12 years 2 weeks ago #220130
by Joedabaker
I went out of my comfort zone today and locked the boots in upright mode today and forced myself to become accustom to the stiffer drive. Other than the back of the boot digging in my calf at times, I may get used to the bigger drive power, but it's hard to believe that anyone would categorize the TX-Pro as soft and I'm a big hard charging guy on a big heavy ski!
To each their own I guess :
Replied by Joedabaker on topic Re: New 22-Designs NTN Binding
I must be a freak cause I ski the TX-Pros in walk mode on 2nd gen NTN binders on a pair of K2 188cm Hardsides. The boots seem flexy fore and aft (skiing in walk mode), but as Randy says, plenty laterally stiff to me. As an old school leather boot guy this is a vast upgrade in stiffness though.Re. stiffness - the only place I don't like the softness of the TX-pro is the bellows. Cuff and tongue-wise they're fine. Where are other folks noticing the softness?
I went out of my comfort zone today and locked the boots in upright mode today and forced myself to become accustom to the stiffer drive. Other than the back of the boot digging in my calf at times, I may get used to the bigger drive power, but it's hard to believe that anyone would categorize the TX-Pro as soft and I'm a big hard charging guy on a big heavy ski!
To each their own I guess :
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12 years 1 week ago #220141
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Replied by biker on topic Re: New 22-Designs NTN Binding
Lateral stiffness on my TX pros is fine, but more is always better in that area. The bellows are way too soft and are easily overpowered. The cuff stiffness is ok but hard to use because the bellows are too soft. I would like to see the bellows stiffness go up a lot (like double) and the cuff stiffness go up a smaller amount maybe 25%. Keep in mind I am 6'3" 190lbs, ski big stiff skis and like to go fast. Maybe bellows stiffness should scale with boot size so my 28.5s are stiffer than a pair of 26s.
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12 years 1 week ago #220142
by aaron_wright
Replied by aaron_wright on topic Re: New 22-Designs NTN Binding
I'm a big guy, almost 6' 5" and 220#, and when I started NTNing with Freerides, Tx Pros and Llhasa Pows I didn't think the sole flex was too soft. I had a used pair with about 20-30 days on them, I did think they got soft once they had about 200 days on them, but that's to be expected. I like my Comps better, don't seem much stiffer, and they still have a sweet, smooth flex. I think the top buckle is superfluous on the Pro and Comp and a wider and nicer Booster strap would be nice, like the one that came on the last generation red T Race.
I would be very interested in an NTN binding that uses the second heel and tech toe and still had the feature of the Freeride/Freedom.
I would be very interested in an NTN binding that uses the second heel and tech toe and still had the feature of the Freeride/Freedom.
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12 years 1 week ago #220143
by Joedabaker
Replied by Joedabaker on topic Re: New 22-Designs NTN Binding
I'm sized in between you guys in and just don't feel the bellows being an issue even at high alpine speeds. But in-area in the bumps it is handy to have a softer bellows. But that is another story.
As hop was saying that maybe the market window is so small that making a whole other boot stiffer to fit 6 tightwads is not feasible.
Just curious, but are you using the tx-pro for in and out skiing? I'm not sure I'm geared to use a stiffer boot, especially in the steeper chutes when you want to get on that front foot and not feel like having a frankenstein stance. I find quick feet essential and a stiffer bellows slows that IMO.
As hop was saying that maybe the market window is so small that making a whole other boot stiffer to fit 6 tightwads is not feasible.
Just curious, but are you using the tx-pro for in and out skiing? I'm not sure I'm geared to use a stiffer boot, especially in the steeper chutes when you want to get on that front foot and not feel like having a frankenstein stance. I find quick feet essential and a stiffer bellows slows that IMO.
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