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12 years 11 months ago #209148 by Micah


As far as soft snow goes and skiing on your ski's surface area (rather than it's edges) I would point out to you that the reason that your fat ski floats more than a skinnier ski is because it's greater surface area applies more force to the skier giving him more floatation... How is more force applied to the skier better for the knees???

perhaps I should remind you more often that physics is not banned on this website..???


For otherwise identical ski runs (same skier, same trajectory) made with skis of different surface areas, the acceleration (and hence net force) experienced by each skier will be the same (since the trajectories are identical). Since all the other forces (weight, aerodynamic forces) are the same, the force the skis exert on the skier and the snow must also be the same for the different skis. What is different is the pressure the skis exert on the snow, since the skis of larger area must exert a smaller pressure to give the same total force (and hence will penetrate the snow to a smaller degree...). Drawing the free-body diagram will help elucidate this reasoning by prompting the question of the net force on the skier. I'm sure ruffyryder's physics teacher is proud of him.

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12 years 11 months ago #209149 by TonyP
I wholeheartedly agree with the cycling recommendations. I completely ruptured the patellar tendon in my left Xmas day 2010. Following surgery, 8 weeks of immobilization, and excruciating PT to the range of motion in my knee back to ~110 degrees, the bike is what got me back to being able to ski, and still continues as in intergal part of my general fitness routine. Running hills backwards is also a great quad burner.

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12 years 11 months ago #209150 by Scotsman
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For otherwise identical ski runs (same skier, same trajectory) made with skis of different surface areas, the acceleration (and hence net force) experienced by each skier will be the same (since the trajectories are identical). Since all the other forces (weight, aerodynamic forces) are the same, the force the skis exert on the skier and the snow must also be the same for the different skis. What is different is the pressure the skis exert on the snow, since the skis of larger area must exert a smaller pressure to give the same total force (and hence will penetrate the snow to a smaller degree...). Drawing the free-body diagram will help elucidate this reasoning by prompting the question of the net force on the skier. I'm sure ruffyryder's physics teacher is proud of him.


This is the same concept that was used in the movie Waterworld.

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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #209151 by tele.skier
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For otherwise identical ski runs (same skier, same trajectory) made with skis of different surface areas, the acceleration (and hence net force) experienced by each skier will be the same (since the trajectories are identical). Since all the other forces (weight, aerodynamic forces) are the same, the force the skis exert on the skier and the snow must also be the same for the different skis. What is different is the pressure the skis exert on the snow, since the skis of larger area must exert a smaller pressure to give the same total force (and hence will penetrate the snow to a smaller degree...). Drawing the free-body diagram will help elucidate this reasoning by prompting the question of the net force on the skier. I'm sure ruffyryder's physics teacher is proud of him.


The same force.... but on different skis spread over the snow in different amounts of surface area.... If you don't think surface area has any significance in relating to how force is applied think about how differently a 150lb man falls to earth with a open parachute versus a closed one.... What's the difference in how the force effects his impact and why is it different if all the elements are the same except the resistance due to surface area....

.... and penetrating the snow less means less distance for the skier to decellerate, which is a greater application of force per distance traveled..... ergo more force per skier distance traveled..

perhaps I am wrong.... not being an engineer and all....

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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #209152 by Scotsman
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perhaps I am wrong.... not being an engineer and all....

Don't be so hard on yourself....science has never been a Telemarkers strong point...I can teach you soup reporting...exacting business I can tell you...I'm looking for an apprentice.

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12 years 11 months ago #209153 by flowing alpy
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your last one got banned

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