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Nov 12, '12: people lost, Paradise closed

  • Charlie Hagedorn
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13 years 3 months ago - 13 years 3 months ago #206970 by Charlie Hagedorn
Replied by Charlie Hagedorn on topic Re: Nov 12, '12: people lost, Paradise closed
Convoy left, car left too.

Win!

A big thank you to everyone involved!

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13 years 3 months ago #206971 by haggis
GPS are great and I carry one too but to be honest I don't trust it in cold weather and I never leave it on just to log my track for vanity sake, its purely to get back home if we get lost in a whiteout.  My batteries die in no time whereas the spot lasts for a long time and sends out a location every 10 mins and can be tracked on a cellphone.

xcfind.paraglide.us/  Here are all the paragliders who want to be tracked on spot.  Click on NW USA and bingo, if I'm moving you will see me.

SPOT should only be used as a last resort to send out a signal when all else has failed or you are unable to move.  In this case a simple I'm OK but need help message would have worked to some friends without activating the full on SAR assuming there were BC friends available.  I always try to be self sufficient so am not advocating the spot as a substitute for carrying a map, GPS or otherwise but there is no doubt it would have helped in this situation, no doubt.  Anyone who doesn't carry one because they don't want to be seen as not self sufficient is kidding themselves too, SAR is going to come looking for you when you are overdue anyway so they might as well know where you are.  Case in point in the US Paragliding champs this year in Idaho a UK pilot without SPOT went down in the boonies, broke bones, badly wounded and spent 2 unnescary nights in the wilderness while wasting countless hours of SAR time and money and cancelling 2 days of paragliding competition.  SPot would have found him in no time, saving time and money all round.

You can't pick the right kind of technology unless you bring it with you hence why I travel with GPS , map, compass and SPOT.

Glad it looks like they are going to make it out.

Why not just carry a regular GPS unit, generate a track on the way out, and then follow the track back in case of whiteout?

That's infinitely preferable to any SPOT or PLB in cases like this where the party is uninjured, fully capable of moving, and simply unable to navigate home. If you're going to suggest technology as a solution to their problems, why not pick the right kind?

SPOT or PLB may be great in case of injury or accident, but suggesting that they are the best technological solution in this particular case is entirely mistaken. They would have been home on Sunday as planned if they had a GPS and had run a track on the way out, and the entire SAR effort could have been avoided.

Anyway, glad they are safe and found now.

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13 years 3 months ago #206883 by Randito
Glad they are out -- I hope they didn't lose any digits.

It will be interesting to read the SAR report if it gets published. Navigating in a full whiteout can be very difficult and dangerous, even with a GPS and/or compass. When you can't see your ski tips (or even your hand) it is would be all to easy to fall over cliff or into a crevasse.

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13 years 3 months ago #206973 by RonL
Glad they are safe. I would be curious where they descended to the the Paradise Glacier area. Climbing up around 7500 on Saturday while vis was disappearing I contemplated how easy it would be to accidentally take turns that way, especially if someone was using the rock band on their left during the descent as a guide. At one point during the day I was thinking it might make sense to put a back country gate with a small entrance and caution sign if people commonly get lost in that area and then I pulled up the map and realized just how big an area you would have to rope off and maintain. It may still be worth looking into if there is a common problem area up there. It is beginning to seem like an annual event. It is nice to have a happy ending.

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