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Buddy up or die - two nonavalanche deaths in Tahoe
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These guys were apparently by them selves but I get very upset when I ride with lone rangers who take off, don't stop, or don't stick to the planned descent.
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Partner etiquette could be an interesting topic. Was this a lack of a proper "morning meeting" discussion? Communication is essential... but that can go both ways. I do agree, for someone to just take off a new direction un-announced is not cool.....but I get very upset when I ride with lone rangers who take off, don't stop, or don't stick to the planned descent.
I find it takes a while to learn a new partner.
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These guys were apparently by them selves
Was this a lack of a proper "morning meeting" discussion?
...they were by themselves there could not be a morning meeting discussion.
I think the odds are better that they would have been found sooner, but there is no guarantee that they would have survived even with a partner. Especially the head trauma one with a helmet on.
In lift operations. If your partner is behind you most times it is faster to swing around the lift again to the location last seen rather than wallow in knee or waist deep snow back uphill to some arbitrary point to find them. I have never timed it, but to travel 100 yards in deep snow on a 35 degree slope uphill without skins can take well over 1/2 hour. Depending on lift operations and how far out you are, most times it is faster to swing back with maybe a couple lookers that you gain on the trip through the lifts.
The tail gunner falling in a hole in a partner situation is always the weak link of the buddy system. The victim is in a much greater disadvantage for help since in most cases the help is minutes out. And in most suffocations minutes are to long.
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It is usually young bucks who show these tendencies but I have seen it in older gents as well. They tend to always defend their actions and present an argument that minimizes the dangers. SometimesPartner etiquette could be an interesting topic. Was this a lack of a proper "morning meeting" discussion? Communication is essential... but that can go both ways. I do agree, for someone to just take off a new direction un-announced is not cool.
I find it takes a while to learn a new partner.
you just don't know who is in the drivers seat until the guy points his ski's down hill.
Example - we discuss the descent on the approach. We discuss the descent standing at the top. Partner jumps in, gets excited, forgets the plan, and follows a feature into a danger zone or wrong drainage and ski's out of sight. Now I have to follow fool so we stay together, hope I don't get into trouble, and hope he stopped short of the bottom.
Example - we discuss the descent on the approach. We discuss the descent standing at the top. I go first, stick to the plan, pull up out of the way where I can see the partner but am out of danger. Partner jumps in, gets excited, forgets the plan, follows a feature into a danger zone or wrong drainage and ski's out of sight. Now we can't cover each other, can't really communicate, and someone is going to have go find the other before we ascend again.
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I had thought Edgesport was also referring to an experience of being ditched. I was thinking this was in the context of the backcountry.
Still not clear, but in the context of resort skiing I can understand the frustration after you've decided to ski a run especially since some resorts get tracked out fast. Unless there is some real obvious danger I consider myself ditched and carry on solo for the day. They might be able to justify their actions, but will never have an excuse for not following directions.
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In lift operations. If your partner is behind you most times it is faster to swing around the lift again to the location last seen rather than wallow in knee or waist deep snow back uphill to some arbitrary point to find them.
That's the truth - been there before!
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