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14 years 2 months ago #202929 by Randito
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As I understand it the flex index number is a little like alpine resort trail ratings -- usefull for comparing runs within one resort -- but resort to resort comparisons are a bit uneven -- e.g. a number of "black" runs at the "Summit" would be "blue" runs at Crystal.

The other thing I've come to understand about the flex index is that it represents the side-to-side flex -- not the forward flex. Garmont MegaRides -- a popular AT boot has a flex index of 110 -- but has a very soft forward flex. Alpine boot flex index vary considerably -- a 130 index is typical for "expert/racer" class boots -- but there are alpine boots in the "beginner/intermediate" category with flex indexes of 80.

The new prices on AT boots is pretty intimidating, the prices on used gear is much more affordable and can be a good deal if you know what to look for, how figure whether the shell fits your foot and how to re-bake the liners.

Getting the right shell fit is fairly easy -- take the liners out of the boot and place you bare foot in the shell and slide forward until the big toe just touches the end. Then see how many fingers you can fit between your heel and the shell. No more than two and no less than 1 has word for me.

An easy way to re-bake the liners is to use a heat gun to warm up the liners in the boot and once they are soft, put your foot wearing your ski socks. This is typicially sufficient -- as long has the orginal owner and your feet aren't radically different.

A more complete way to re-bake the liners is to use the "rice-bag" method -- fill ziplock bags with rice and warm in the microwave and using oven mits place inside the boots for 10 minutes, remove the rice bags and slide you foot in and buckle lightly.

More info on boot fitting.

www.wildsnow.com/72/bootfitting-for-backcountry-skiing/
www.telemarktips.com/DrTelemark.html
www.telemarktips.com/VideoStatic/thermofit.wmv

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14 years 2 months ago #202930 by gregL
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The other thing I've come to understand about the flex index is that it represents the side-to-side flex -- not the forward flex.


Are you sure about that, Randy? Almost any boot intended for intermediate skiers or better is rock solid laterally (side-to-side). The variable (in addition to lean angle and ramp angle) that influences your skiing mechanics is forward flex - both progressiveness and max resistance.

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14 years 2 months ago #202932 by CookieMonster
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Great discussion with excellent advice from all.

By forward lean, I meant "you have to lean more forward when you ski" ( due to boot softness, backpack, and sometimes, powder floatation pushing you backward ).

I don't know much about ramp angles otherwise.

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14 years 2 months ago - 14 years 2 months ago #202934 by gregL
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"you have to lean more forward when you ski" ( due to boot softness, backpack, and sometimes, powder floatation pushing you backward ).I don't know much about ramp angles otherwise.


I'd disagree that moving to a less supportive AT boot means you have to lean forward more in your normal skiing stance. What it really does is ask you (sometimes not nicely) to refrain from using extreme forward or backward leaning techniques in non-emergency maneuvers (though even soft and light touring boots usually have pretty decent rearward support). In other words, they require a more neutral fore/aft position. Ramp angle, especially positive (ie. heel substantially higher than toe) can be a factor in pushing you further forward/putting pressure on the tongue of the boot - some people seem to be very sensitive to it.

If you are in the habit of pressuring the tips to initiate turns and counting on the structure of the boot to push you back into position, softer AT boots may not do it for you - or may require adjusting your technique.

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14 years 2 months ago #202937 by Randito
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Are you sure about that, Randy? Almost any boot intended for intermediate skiers or better is rock solid laterally (side-to-side). The variable (in addition to lean angle and ramp angle) that influences your skiing mechanics is forward flex - both progressiveness and max resistance.


IDK for sure -- but it sort of fits with my experience with MegaRides -- which sport a 110 flex rating and while I find quite soft in forward flex, I find I can ski my Voile Drifters (128mm waist) back to the lift station on the groomers without sliding sideways too much.

Here is what Lou Dawson has to say about boot flex: www.wildsnow.com/1202/ski-boot-stiffness-flex-ratings/

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14 years 2 months ago #202938 by gregL
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MegaRides -- which sport a 110 flex rating


According to who? (and first or second generation tongues?)

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