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Will this set up work for Telemark?
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15 years 1 month ago #196084
by Markeyz
Replied by Markeyz on topic Re: Will this set up work for Telemark?
I don't think you're going to get much out of an NTN binding at this point, but then again I don't really know anything about them except what I've read. There is one thing about the new beefy gear for beginners though and that is that it makes alpine turning much easier. I don't think I'd recommend a leather boot (even though that's what I started on, despite the availability of plastic boots at the time) just because you lose so much edging ability, but I think a plastic touring boot with an old voile three pin cable binding would be a good learning setup, because the lack of support on the back of the calf will make alpine turns feel very unstable and will naturally encourage a lower, better weighted, telemark stance where you will also have more control over the tips of the skiis. If you don't throw that setup away in disgust you'll probably want to upgrade to something stiffer that will allow you to get more tip and edge pressure. Or maybe not. I'm still skiing the resort on T3s.
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15 years 1 month ago - 15 years 1 month ago #196085
by Jim Oker
Replied by Jim Oker on topic Re: Will this set up work for Telemark?
Love the ski you're with.
If you're not ready to bail on your alpine gear by taking up Robie's solid advice, you can of course start by mounting whatever tele bindings you get on the new skis and move the bindings to your current alpine gear later if you realize you're not using those alpine bindings any more.
And if you have the $, sure, go buy the best gear. If you mostly ski ice and hardpack where you live, I don't think it will make a big difference, but if you get powder and various types of crust over powder, you'll see a big difference with the latest greatest. But I guarantee you can ski whatever you can afford.
If you're not ready to bail on your alpine gear by taking up Robie's solid advice, you can of course start by mounting whatever tele bindings you get on the new skis and move the bindings to your current alpine gear later if you realize you're not using those alpine bindings any more.
And if you have the $, sure, go buy the best gear. If you mostly ski ice and hardpack where you live, I don't think it will make a big difference, but if you get powder and various types of crust over powder, you'll see a big difference with the latest greatest. But I guarantee you can ski whatever you can afford.
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15 years 1 month ago - 15 years 1 month ago #196089
by dsmdan95
Replied by dsmdan95 on topic Re: Will this set up work for Telemark?
Updated: to show my confusion on 3pin vs normal catridge bindings
Looks like a defiantly got 3 pin (75mm) & Normal catridge & NTN mixed up. I don't want / need NTN or the hammerheads. (and I think the 3 pin?) I want the kind with the cables and sealed springs. (Think they look cooler anyways)
What are the one's in the link in my first post 3 pin? (actuality there just normal catridge ones correct?) What about G3 Targas 3 pin also? I always assumed they where NTN because I couldn't see 3 pin stubs in the toe plate in pictures.
You guys gotta remember I'm in Iowa. I've only seen 2 telemarkers in my life. One who I rode the lift with me the one and only time I've been to Winter Park CO. She was from Eurpoe and had a thick accent and was hard to talk too. and once I seen a guy on skiing my local hill when I was on the lift who I didn't get to talk too. They were both using what I now believe is the 3 pin setup. (its was actually cartridge ones)
Like I said It's going to be used for mainly all groomers and hardly ever see powder. Heck here in Iowa powder is almost pointless, not enough vertical or steepness to float over the power not alone too carve or turn. Half the time your using your poles to push to get down the hill with fresh snow lol.
I would consider myself a advanced alpine skier here in the midwest. But out west I would consider myself a middle intermediate. Went through a access gate and did some mild backcountry? of ungroomed tree skiing which was right at the top of my level. So I think normal cartage ones would be good for me.
As for using my Alpine skis for telemark skis. I don't think that would be an option as they have integrated binding system and are platform mounted. Plus skis are sorta like gold here somewhat hard to come by. The places that have them are over an hour away and have small section.
Also whats the difference between normal adult skis and junior ski's I fine these skis surprising since there 160cm and for juniors would have to be an awfully freakest tall youngster.
Hammerheads look neat, just figured out how they work. But, I think they would be pointless for my area and those skis I would mount them too.
So how did bindings progress? First there was something before 3pin? Then 3pin from the 70s or 80s? then normal catridge from the 90s? then NTN 2003ish? Then hammerheads that came out within a year or two?
Looks like a defiantly got 3 pin (75mm) & Normal catridge & NTN mixed up. I don't want / need NTN or the hammerheads. (and I think the 3 pin?) I want the kind with the cables and sealed springs. (Think they look cooler anyways)
What are the one's in the link in my first post 3 pin? (actuality there just normal catridge ones correct?) What about G3 Targas 3 pin also? I always assumed they where NTN because I couldn't see 3 pin stubs in the toe plate in pictures.
You guys gotta remember I'm in Iowa. I've only seen 2 telemarkers in my life. One who I rode the lift with me the one and only time I've been to Winter Park CO. She was from Eurpoe and had a thick accent and was hard to talk too. and once I seen a guy on skiing my local hill when I was on the lift who I didn't get to talk too. They were both using what I now believe is the 3 pin setup. (its was actually cartridge ones)
Like I said It's going to be used for mainly all groomers and hardly ever see powder. Heck here in Iowa powder is almost pointless, not enough vertical or steepness to float over the power not alone too carve or turn. Half the time your using your poles to push to get down the hill with fresh snow lol.
I would consider myself a advanced alpine skier here in the midwest. But out west I would consider myself a middle intermediate. Went through a access gate and did some mild backcountry? of ungroomed tree skiing which was right at the top of my level. So I think normal cartage ones would be good for me.
As for using my Alpine skis for telemark skis. I don't think that would be an option as they have integrated binding system and are platform mounted. Plus skis are sorta like gold here somewhat hard to come by. The places that have them are over an hour away and have small section.
Also whats the difference between normal adult skis and junior ski's I fine these skis surprising since there 160cm and for juniors would have to be an awfully freakest tall youngster.
Hammerheads look neat, just figured out how they work. But, I think they would be pointless for my area and those skis I would mount them too.
So how did bindings progress? First there was something before 3pin? Then 3pin from the 70s or 80s? then normal catridge from the 90s? then NTN 2003ish? Then hammerheads that came out within a year or two?
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15 years 1 month ago #196097
by Micah
Replied by Micah on topic Re: Will this set up work for Telemark?
Hammerheads are older than NTN. There is a new, free-pivot descendant of the HH called Axl. (I think the leftmost bindings in Jim Oaker's photo above are HH.) All telemark bindings except NTN accept the same boots -- most don't have the pins but they may still be called 3-pin since they take the same 75 mm boots. I would look at the used gear for sale on telemark tips if I were in your position. Find a cheap, used rig there and have the whole thing shipped to you. Anything cheap will have some variety of 75 mm binding; I wouldn't lose much sleep worrying about which one. Just get one and form your own opinion. Do you have boots? If not that is the place to start.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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15 years 1 month ago #196189
by dsmdan95
Replied by dsmdan95 on topic Re: Will this set up work for Telemark?
I do not have boots yet. But I might be able to pick up some used Crispi CXP's for cheap in my size. After doing a lot of calling around and seeing a old thread from Telemark Talk from 2006. I found some places in the midwest that actually rent tele gear. (Mt La Crosse & Afton Alps) There 4 and 6 hours away, but that way I can try sizes of boots and be sure I like it.
Dose anyone know if or herd of new plastic beginner telemark boots in the $200 - $300ish range? Even if there a few years old. Most boots I've seen are in the $400- $800 range which is the price of a full new alpine gear set up. Telemark seems way more expensive then alpine.
Dose anyone know if or herd of new plastic beginner telemark boots in the $200 - $300ish range? Even if there a few years old. Most boots I've seen are in the $400- $800 range which is the price of a full new alpine gear set up. Telemark seems way more expensive then alpine.
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15 years 1 month ago #196208
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It only seems that way, because you're getting hooked on the style about 20 years late. I think the roots of tele in the 80s and 90s were a kind of cheap, dirt bag kind of skiing - the gear was very simple, and devotees prided themselves on doing more with less, and living outside the norm.
My first set of plastic boots were Garmont Excursions. I still have them, and occasionally use 'em, and they work just fine. They're not nearly the stiffness of the newer boots. If they are still being made, they would be a good pair for you new - or hunt the internet for an old pair.
Replied by Rusty Knees on topic Re: Will this set up work for Telemark?
Telemark seems way more expensive then alpine.

It only seems that way, because you're getting hooked on the style about 20 years late. I think the roots of tele in the 80s and 90s were a kind of cheap, dirt bag kind of skiing - the gear was very simple, and devotees prided themselves on doing more with less, and living outside the norm.
My first set of plastic boots were Garmont Excursions. I still have them, and occasionally use 'em, and they work just fine. They're not nearly the stiffness of the newer boots. If they are still being made, they would be a good pair for you new - or hunt the internet for an old pair.
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