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15 years 3 months ago #194951 by davidG
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Baker,  - 13 F with highs below 0.  whitefish -!6.  Anthony Lakes -7.  McCall/ tamarak -13.  Hate to think about Fernie or Revelstoke.   Is November the new January? 

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15 years 3 months ago #194952 by Lowell_Skoog
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Not pleasant to think about what this may do to the base of our future snowpack, if it lasts very long.

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15 years 3 months ago #194959 by Randito
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I'm sure a pineapple will come along and destroy those delicate facets.

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15 years 3 months ago #194963 by peteyboy
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Lowell (as always) makes a good point - our greatly hyped La Nina may give us a persistent buried layer akin to Selkirks forecasts - we need that first thick layer of pineapple caulk to come soon.

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15 years 3 months ago #194965 by davidG
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Edit.  Get out of lowland western Wa, and the forecast is for a somewhat deeper and longer snap.  As I'm not too savvy about this I ask for implications.  Even with rain returning to normal elevations, even a pineapple probably won't influence areas above 6-7000 or so, and not at all beyond the west slope.  A young, shallow and unconsolidated pack throughout the west, a three or 4+ day dry and bitter cold.  Cookie?

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15 years 3 months ago #194979 by CookieMonster
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Even with rain returning to normal elevations, even a pineapple probably won't influence areas above 6-7000 or so, and not at all beyond the west slope.


Very good catch! You're absolutely right.

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Here are some things to consider about any persistent weaknesses that may develop:

A. Amount of precipitation going forward, which determines total snow depths.
B. Air temperatures going forward, which controls the temperature gradient.
C. Skier triggering of weaknesses below 1-metre is rare.

Facts and Outright Speculation:

* You might find persistent instability at any location where the snowpack remains shallow for an extended period of time.

* In places with deep snowpack and moderate temps, rounding will be predominant. This would tend to strengthen the snowpack through a combination of overburden pressure and favourable crystal metamorphism.

If faced with persistent weaknesses:

* Worst case scenario? A sequence of weather events that creates chaotic patterns of instability and triggering energy. This creates a very inconsistently unstable snowpack, which in turn leads to very high uncertainty and serious perception problems.

* In general, as information is gathered, there would be some degree of predictability about where these problems exist. But as always, singular information about the situation at-hand will override general information. Are there persistent forms on *this* ski run?

* The current situation reminds me of winter 2008-2009 when there were a lot of big avalanches at Whistler in the early season. Those layers eventually healed, but it was a scary situation.

The takeaway:

* An early season cold snap might leave mines in the backcountry, but only time will tell.
* On the other hand, lots of snow and moderate temps can heal just about anything.

Here's a thread on TGR that discussed snowpack resets, etc.

www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181142

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