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15 years 8 months ago #194237
by Jerm
As a former instructor at Summit (West, Central, and Alpental) ... I respectfully disagree. The lift they will spend the most time on at Central is Holiday, which is plagued by somewhat steep pitches at the top and bottom, and at West they'll be on Little Thunder, which has a tricky double fall line. Both are horribly overcrowded, especially when the private schools are not able to use the Reggies and Easy Street lifts. The latter are probably the best beginner lifts at the pass, but only open on busy weekends, and sometimes not even then. Even when they are, they are so far from the Central base area SLC instructors at Central rarely use them. For that reason alone, if you do use SLC, I'd take them to Alpental, otherwise use a private school based close to those lifts. At Alpental, chair 4 (St Bernard) is actually a pretty good beginner chair, with an easy on and easy off. And in a normal winter, when a good cat track is cut across from Chair 1 to lower Nash, they have a long varied intermediate run to graduate to.
Terrain aside, the base area set up at Alpy is better too. If you get there early enough, you can park and set up shop within feet of all the beginner lifts and (most importantly) the Shot 10 bathrooms. At Central they'll have to cross a busy road and walk up a steep hill to the base area. At West, you may get parking close to Little Thunder, but more likely you'll be wading through the hordes stumbling along from more distant lots.
Replied by Jerm on topic Re: Question on starting kids
Just an aside but I kind of question why you would start kids who have limited experience on snow out at Alpental- very limited beginner area and a relatively sharp learning curve to jump up to the next chair from chair 4 to 3. Lessons at West or Central provide much more beginner and intermediate terrain (and terrain park at Central) where they'll feel like they are making some progress. Not so fun to ski at as an advanced skier though
As a former instructor at Summit (West, Central, and Alpental) ... I respectfully disagree. The lift they will spend the most time on at Central is Holiday, which is plagued by somewhat steep pitches at the top and bottom, and at West they'll be on Little Thunder, which has a tricky double fall line. Both are horribly overcrowded, especially when the private schools are not able to use the Reggies and Easy Street lifts. The latter are probably the best beginner lifts at the pass, but only open on busy weekends, and sometimes not even then. Even when they are, they are so far from the Central base area SLC instructors at Central rarely use them. For that reason alone, if you do use SLC, I'd take them to Alpental, otherwise use a private school based close to those lifts. At Alpental, chair 4 (St Bernard) is actually a pretty good beginner chair, with an easy on and easy off. And in a normal winter, when a good cat track is cut across from Chair 1 to lower Nash, they have a long varied intermediate run to graduate to.
Terrain aside, the base area set up at Alpy is better too. If you get there early enough, you can park and set up shop within feet of all the beginner lifts and (most importantly) the Shot 10 bathrooms. At Central they'll have to cross a busy road and walk up a steep hill to the base area. At West, you may get parking close to Little Thunder, but more likely you'll be wading through the hordes stumbling along from more distant lots.
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15 years 8 months ago #194256
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Replied by oftpiste on topic Re: Question on starting kids
I'd agree with Mofro on locale, but I'm not an instructor. My kids all did Powderpigs on Thursday afternoons at Acres. I yanked them from school at lunchtime up through the third grade for 8 thursdays a year and the school mostly was cool with it as well as supportive of dad time.
I'm a big fan of that program and would highly recommend the weekday approach as opposed to weekends if you can arrange it. Powderpigs is a completely kid-oriented program which, over many years has developed a pretty kid-centric approach which focuses on fun as well as technique.
Another word of advice: DO NOT tag along with your kids' classes. Screws up the instructors and your kids will behave differently with you around than they will if they're on their own with their instructor. You can help them with their skiing when you're out having fun together, but let the instructors do their thang.
I'm a big fan of that program and would highly recommend the weekday approach as opposed to weekends if you can arrange it. Powderpigs is a completely kid-oriented program which, over many years has developed a pretty kid-centric approach which focuses on fun as well as technique.
Another word of advice: DO NOT tag along with your kids' classes. Screws up the instructors and your kids will behave differently with you around than they will if they're on their own with their instructor. You can help them with their skiing when you're out having fun together, but let the instructors do their thang.
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15 years 8 months ago #194259
by Alan Brunelle
Replied by Alan Brunelle on topic Re: Question on starting kids
I agree with Offpiste, don't hang out with the kids during instruction.
You might from time-to-time shadow to see how they progress and interact during the lesson. It is also ok to stop by and say hello, but don't hang out, just say hi and then move on.
I think that using professional instruction is a great way to go. I have always had trouble teaching my kids stuff, especially anything where they might have some type of fear, such as falling. They are just too familiar with parents, which inhibits their need to suck-it-up and do something as opposed to cry and resist. They also seem to better respect the authority of an instructor and suspend the "I am not so sure dad knows what he is doing" feeling that my kids seemed to convey to me. I think that instructors are trained to make important transitions painless for kids, probably better than parents. However, I can say that more than one instructor has told me that they could not teach their own kids to ski either.
Alan
You might from time-to-time shadow to see how they progress and interact during the lesson. It is also ok to stop by and say hello, but don't hang out, just say hi and then move on.
I think that using professional instruction is a great way to go. I have always had trouble teaching my kids stuff, especially anything where they might have some type of fear, such as falling. They are just too familiar with parents, which inhibits their need to suck-it-up and do something as opposed to cry and resist. They also seem to better respect the authority of an instructor and suspend the "I am not so sure dad knows what he is doing" feeling that my kids seemed to convey to me. I think that instructors are trained to make important transitions painless for kids, probably better than parents. However, I can say that more than one instructor has told me that they could not teach their own kids to ski either.
Alan
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15 years 8 months ago #194260
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Replied by edmoloco on topic Re: Question on starting kids
I have been an instructor for many years, I have a different instructor teach my kids and my wife. Having a personal relationship gets in the way of teaching and learning. When I pick up my kids after ski class I only ask one question, "Did you have fun?".
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