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Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area?
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15 years 10 months ago #191144
by TPDazzle
Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area? was created by TPDazzle
I have been planning on meeting a friend this week and doing some backcounty skiing in the Mt. Baker Area. We have several objectives, but with an ugly avy forecast many of these objectives are not currently appropriate (we will see what happens toward the end of the week.) Unfortunately we have planned this week for months because of work constraints and my schedule doesn't allow me to postpone the trip. Does anyone have recommendations for good low angle tours in the Mt. Baker Area?
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15 years 10 months ago #191149
by CookieMonster
Replied by CookieMonster on topic Re: Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area?
There are *lots* of safe options straight off the Mt. Bakier ski area.
1. Get out a map and PLAN your tour, including 3 options.
maps.google.com/
Type "mt. baker ski area, washington" into the search box.
Select "Terrain" from the options on the upper right of the map.
2. If you're not comfortable planning, then go to an operating ski area.
Partial List of Techniques for Travel During High Danger
1. Avoid traveling below overhead avalanche terrain.
2. Descend slopes without obstacles such as trees and rocks.
3. Choose slopes where an avalanche rescue is possible, i.e. with smooth, clean runout zones with excellent line-of-sight from the top. ( Poor line-of-sight, such as in trees or convoluted terrain, makes rescue extremely difficult. )
4. Choose slopes you can safely ski cut.
5. Pick your line of descent very carefully.
6. Small, steep slopes may not be safer than large, gentle slopes.
Here are the terrain variables that I use. These criteria are universal sources of exposure for all terrain.
*Line-Of-Sight
Is line-of-sight limited? Do local terrain features obstruct your line-of-sight to higher terrain? Is your uphill view blocked by rocks or trees? Can you see all the terrain below or only some of it? Pay attention and double-check your decisions when line-of-sight is limited for any reason.
*Open
Is the terrain open enough to produce small, medium, or large avalanches? Are there open breaks in the forest that allow snow to travel unobstructed to your location? How much open terrain is present and where is the open terrain relative to your location? Large quantities of snow can accumulate in open areas near mountain tops before an avalanche and in valley bottoms after an avalanche.
*Confined
Is the terrain confined relative to the size or speed of an avalanche of any size? Could a large, fast-moving avalanche overrun the valley floor? Are you in a gully where escape from a small but fast-moving avalanche could prove impossible? Estimate your reaction time before something goes wrong and double-check your decisions if reaction time is short. Reaction time is a very important part of your margin of safety.
*Accumulators
Are there snow accumulators above or below? Avalanches often start where snow accumulates, and then run downhill where they deposit snow on the valley floor. Small avalanches form deep deposits in confined terrain, such as hollows or depressions, where snow can accumulate.
*Obstacles
Are there obstacles above or below? This includes cliffs, crevasses, rocks, and trees. Obstacles above may block your line-of-sight, inducing hazard blindness, and can cause traumatic injuries during any phase of an avalanche.
*Steep
Is the terrain steeper than 35 degrees? Avalanches start and rapidly accelerate on steep terrain. Steep terrain produces fast-moving avalanches that can release above you and travel toward your location. If you trigger an avalanche on steep terrain, you may be unable to escape from the flowing snow. Steep terrain can limit your line-of-sight, and indicate locations suitable for sluffs, cornice drops, serac fall, or rock fall—all of which can start avalanches above or around you.
1. Get out a map and PLAN your tour, including 3 options.
maps.google.com/
Type "mt. baker ski area, washington" into the search box.
Select "Terrain" from the options on the upper right of the map.
2. If you're not comfortable planning, then go to an operating ski area.
Partial List of Techniques for Travel During High Danger
1. Avoid traveling below overhead avalanche terrain.
2. Descend slopes without obstacles such as trees and rocks.
3. Choose slopes where an avalanche rescue is possible, i.e. with smooth, clean runout zones with excellent line-of-sight from the top. ( Poor line-of-sight, such as in trees or convoluted terrain, makes rescue extremely difficult. )
4. Choose slopes you can safely ski cut.
5. Pick your line of descent very carefully.
6. Small, steep slopes may not be safer than large, gentle slopes.
Here are the terrain variables that I use. These criteria are universal sources of exposure for all terrain.
*Line-Of-Sight
Is line-of-sight limited? Do local terrain features obstruct your line-of-sight to higher terrain? Is your uphill view blocked by rocks or trees? Can you see all the terrain below or only some of it? Pay attention and double-check your decisions when line-of-sight is limited for any reason.
*Open
Is the terrain open enough to produce small, medium, or large avalanches? Are there open breaks in the forest that allow snow to travel unobstructed to your location? How much open terrain is present and where is the open terrain relative to your location? Large quantities of snow can accumulate in open areas near mountain tops before an avalanche and in valley bottoms after an avalanche.
*Confined
Is the terrain confined relative to the size or speed of an avalanche of any size? Could a large, fast-moving avalanche overrun the valley floor? Are you in a gully where escape from a small but fast-moving avalanche could prove impossible? Estimate your reaction time before something goes wrong and double-check your decisions if reaction time is short. Reaction time is a very important part of your margin of safety.
*Accumulators
Are there snow accumulators above or below? Avalanches often start where snow accumulates, and then run downhill where they deposit snow on the valley floor. Small avalanches form deep deposits in confined terrain, such as hollows or depressions, where snow can accumulate.
*Obstacles
Are there obstacles above or below? This includes cliffs, crevasses, rocks, and trees. Obstacles above may block your line-of-sight, inducing hazard blindness, and can cause traumatic injuries during any phase of an avalanche.
*Steep
Is the terrain steeper than 35 degrees? Avalanches start and rapidly accelerate on steep terrain. Steep terrain produces fast-moving avalanches that can release above you and travel toward your location. If you trigger an avalanche on steep terrain, you may be unable to escape from the flowing snow. Steep terrain can limit your line-of-sight, and indicate locations suitable for sluffs, cornice drops, serac fall, or rock fall—all of which can start avalanches above or around you.
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15 years 10 months ago #191152
by PNWBrit
^ nailed it.
It's going to be one of those weeks where if you have to ask... perhaps you really shouldn't be going?
Replied by PNWBrit on topic Re: Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area?
1. Get out a map
2. If you're not comfortable planning, then go to an operating ski area.
^ nailed it.
It's going to be one of those weeks where if you have to ask... perhaps you really shouldn't be going?
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15 years 10 months ago #191184
by trees4me
Replied by trees4me on topic Re: Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area?
Dazz, I'm not much of a Baker guy, and you're on your own for avy safety and snowpack assessment. However, Swift creek side of Austin pass, before artist point had some nice lower-angle treed slopes. pretty short run, but also very accessible...
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15 years 10 months ago #191188
by CookieMonster
Replied by CookieMonster on topic Re: Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area?
Dear TPDazzle:
I took time out of my life to provide a decent, thoughtful, and safety-minded answer. Were you offended that I included additional information? Please let me be the first to apologise for my elitist and condescending generosity.
I didn't ask for your ski resume, and I didn't make assumptions about your level of experience. Did you expect me to go through your posts and figure this out for myself?
You asked for safe options, I provided a specific answer, and told you to look at a contour map of the Mt. Baker ski area ( with instructions on an easy way to access contour maps on Google. ) I also said that if you're not comfortable planning, then just go to a ski area.
I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy with the answers, but your perception of elitism and condescension really is your issue, not mine.
Best,
CookieMonster
I took time out of my life to provide a decent, thoughtful, and safety-minded answer. Were you offended that I included additional information? Please let me be the first to apologise for my elitist and condescending generosity.
I didn't ask for your ski resume, and I didn't make assumptions about your level of experience. Did you expect me to go through your posts and figure this out for myself?
You asked for safe options, I provided a specific answer, and told you to look at a contour map of the Mt. Baker ski area ( with instructions on an easy way to access contour maps on Google. ) I also said that if you're not comfortable planning, then just go to a ski area.
I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy with the answers, but your perception of elitism and condescension really is your issue, not mine.
Best,
CookieMonster
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15 years 10 months ago #191189
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Replied by Marcus on topic Re: Safe alternatives in the Mt. Baker Area?
TP, I think you misread Cookie's post. I think you're partly likely to get more "general guidelines" here because, for whatever reason, there are fewer Baker area regulars that post here.
Hope you find some good touring in the next few days while I'm safely ensconced in my office.
Hope you find some good touring in the next few days while I'm safely ensconced in my office.
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