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Early season stability assessment
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16 years 3 months ago #188905
by 1yen
Replied by 1yen on topic Re: Early season stability assessment
PNWBrit,
Agreed...this is not an easy choice for me. All those questions you ask are things I have been thinking about all day! (instead of work...)
I am choosing steven's because I know the terrain there very well, and already have in mind safe travel routes and relatively low angle runs.
The whats and whys...very important, and thanks for the reminder! I have answers for all of them!
It never hurts to have TERRAIN and CONSEQUENCE pounded into my head too much...
thanks again!
Agreed...this is not an easy choice for me. All those questions you ask are things I have been thinking about all day! (instead of work...)
I am choosing steven's because I know the terrain there very well, and already have in mind safe travel routes and relatively low angle runs.
The whats and whys...very important, and thanks for the reminder! I have answers for all of them!
It never hurts to have TERRAIN and CONSEQUENCE pounded into my head too much...
thanks again!
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16 years 3 months ago #188906
by climberdave
Replied by climberdave on topic Re: Early season stability assessment
My two cents, but since we've had some howling winds recently watch out for wind loaded slopes, wind slab and terrain traps!! Plus trees/rocks can actually promote avys by allowing a fracture to propagate between weak points (a few threads and a death last season attest to this fact).
Be safe and keep your avy eyes open!!
"Terrain selection, terrain selection terrain selection. Always number one consideration.
Consequences, consequences, consequences. second. Adjusted accordingly for solo travel."
Wise words
Be safe and keep your avy eyes open!!
"Terrain selection, terrain selection terrain selection. Always number one consideration.
Consequences, consequences, consequences. second. Adjusted accordingly for solo travel."
Wise words
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16 years 3 months ago #188907
by Rusty Knees
Replied by Rusty Knees on topic Re: Early season stability assessment
There's a few folks going up different areas tomorrow - might not be too late to connect.
This link is to the "partners wanted" section.
www.turns-all-year.com/skiing_snowboardi...ex.php?topic=14398.0
This link is to the "partners wanted" section.
www.turns-all-year.com/skiing_snowboardi...ex.php?topic=14398.0
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16 years 3 months ago #188923
by CookieMonster
Replied by CookieMonster on topic Re: Early season stability assessment
>>Terrain selection, terrain selection terrain selection. Always number one consideration.
>>Consequences, consequneces, consequencess. second. Adjusted accordingly for solo travel.
Caveat: Good points, but by themselves, and especially without observations, these rules will eventually lead to errors.
>>Befiore you even bother digging a pit exactly what are you looking to do with the answer that it might, or might not give you?
>>Is it making it o.k. to go or do you turn around and tip toe out. Why are you diggin a pit anyway given points one and two.
Good points, another caveat.
One person may not see the usefulness of test profiles and instability test, but that does not mean that these observations are unhelpful for everyone. When performed correctly, test profiles and instability tests can provide fairly direct and very direct information ( Class II or Class I ) about the state of instability and definitely can help align your perception of instability with reality.
In any case, observations of all types ( snowpits, weather, terrain, avalanche bulletin ) all actively contribute to your perception of instability. So, in other words, you're going to end up believing something about instability and the bulletin is as likely to contribute to your perception as a test profile or the results of an instability test. It is possible to misinterpret the bulletin and develop a faulty perception of instability ( such as when you apply the information in the bulletin to the slope scale. )
>>Consequences, consequneces, consequencess. second. Adjusted accordingly for solo travel.
Caveat: Good points, but by themselves, and especially without observations, these rules will eventually lead to errors.
>>Befiore you even bother digging a pit exactly what are you looking to do with the answer that it might, or might not give you?
>>Is it making it o.k. to go or do you turn around and tip toe out. Why are you diggin a pit anyway given points one and two.
Good points, another caveat.
One person may not see the usefulness of test profiles and instability test, but that does not mean that these observations are unhelpful for everyone. When performed correctly, test profiles and instability tests can provide fairly direct and very direct information ( Class II or Class I ) about the state of instability and definitely can help align your perception of instability with reality.
In any case, observations of all types ( snowpits, weather, terrain, avalanche bulletin ) all actively contribute to your perception of instability. So, in other words, you're going to end up believing something about instability and the bulletin is as likely to contribute to your perception as a test profile or the results of an instability test. It is possible to misinterpret the bulletin and develop a faulty perception of instability ( such as when you apply the information in the bulletin to the slope scale. )
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16 years 3 months ago #188930
by JimH
Replied by JimH on topic Re: Early season stability assessment
Stability note from the Baker BC - noted some 2-4mm surface facets on shadowy N facing slopes (where the best snow was, as you might guess). The facets were pretty wide spread on all the colder NW through NE aspects, even some that got a little sun. We thought that was worth noting.
We only saw point releases during the day due to solar effects on trees, rocks, etc.. We did see a few day old 1-2ft crowns on steeper lee side NE facing slopes.
Be safe!
We only saw point releases during the day due to solar effects on trees, rocks, etc.. We did see a few day old 1-2ft crowns on steeper lee side NE facing slopes.
Be safe!
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