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- James Wells
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So, is there either a useful seasonal chart or a good method based on observable evidence to determine if it is reasonable to cross a lake? If you start skiing across and it turns out to be a bad idea, do you get any feedback before catastrophe strikes?
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If it's cold (below freezing) and has been for a while, I'll cross it. Obviously, space yourselves out, maybe 20 ft or so. If the lake is small (like a tarn), you're usually good December - April, even with inversion. On a larger lake, (such as Mowich) it somewhat depends on the depth and elevation. Shallow and high up is usually a safe bet. During inversions or small periods of warmth, it's probably a good idea to avoid a lake crossing though. Another thing, which I haven't seen out in the PNW yet, but if there is an airation hole on the lake, don't cross it. My brother fell in this way once. It makes the ice weak, and it never gets thick, even in dead of winter.
So, I guess as far as a seasonal chart, I will usually cross a lake after the first good month of cold weather (usually November). Once the warming trend begins (May?), no more lake crossings for me.
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Another thing, which I haven't seen out in the PNW yet, but if there is an airation hole on the lake, don't cross it. My brother fell in this way once. It makes the ice weak, and it never gets thick, even in dead of winter.
I tried to research this, but can you explain airation hole in frozen lake to me?
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To determine the ice-thickness we require I am using " A field Guide to Ice Construction Safety" published by the Northwest Territories Transportation.
Attached are two charts from that publication showing ice thickness and safe load. It's metric!!!!
See, I am a geek too!
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But doesn't it also matter a lot how widely the weight is distributed? I would picture that being on skis would have the effect of strongly reducing the hazard by distributing weight. It could be that the chart assumes some average degree of weight concentration such as you would commonly see with a vehicle.
There is of course money to be made if you understand the dynamics of this question very well:
www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/TicketsBrochures.html
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If I am reading it right, the bottom chart shows pretty amazing strength of 4" thick ice (=10 cm) of 400 kilograms.
But doesn't it also matter a lot how widely the weight is distributed? I would picture that being on skis would have the effect of strongly reducing the hazard by distributing weight. It could be that the chart assumes some average degree of weight concentration such as you would commonly see with a vehicle.
There is of course money to be made if you understand the dynamics of this question very well:
www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/TicketsBrochures.html
Yep, it's for vehicle loads and interestingly enough, the link you provided is for the actual river. Project is to rebuild a new bridge over the Tanana River near Tok, AK and demolish old bridge.
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