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17 years 3 weeks ago #185572 by ron j
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Wow.
That's a great addition Matt.
Rudi's accident is a great one for us all to study, absorb and fully understand so that the importance of your point is locked in.

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17 years 3 weeks ago #185573 by Scotsman
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Our very own Mr. CookieMonster just had two articles published in the Feb issue of the Avalanche Review, one about GIS technology and the other about"Uncertainty".
We are lucky to have Gary, Cookie et al on this board. Thanks to you all for constantly making me think about snow!

There is also a good review of shovels where they real world test them and score them and the BD shovel gets a "hellish" review.

Excellent periodical BTW and subscription is not very expensive!

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17 years 3 weeks ago #185574 by Snodger
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the BD shovel gets a "hellish" review.


Is that hellish, as in they virtually melt the snow they're so badass?

or

hellish, as in I'd hate to have to dig out a partner with this P.O.S.?

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17 years 3 weeks ago #185588 by Scotsman
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Is that hellish, as in they virtually melt the snow they're so badass?

or

hellish, as in I'd hate to have to dig out a partner with this P.O.S.?


It's hellish bad. It's an interesting article as they purchased about 10 popular shovels and then use them hard. Some break,some deform and some don't . I have the BD Deploy like the one they tested and it got the "hellish" rating which surprised me as BD products are usually very good. Seemingly the top of the shovel deformed when used with a boot to push down and also cut the ski boots badly.The Voile and G3 shovels got the best review.

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17 years 3 weeks ago - 17 years 3 weeks ago #185590 by skykilo
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No test will solve this problem, however careful observations of terrain configuration with good sense of scale can help either avoid or seek low consequence slopes. Last year I think one of the Hummels found this out near Fortress and walked away with a new awareness of testing this issue.


While I think your overall point is quite valid, Mattski, your citation of the Fortress incident seems inept to me.  The conditions on Fortress were deep isothermal slop and the spot where Jason triggered that avalanche was an obvious loaded convexity.  I had just skied the same spot, very carefully making turns between safe spots then hiding beneath rocks.  Jason did not magically hit a trigger point.  He simply got caught linking turns with abandon where he shouldn't have been.  I helplessly watched him wash by me from a very safe enclave of rocks.

Sorry, maybe I'm still sensitive about that whole thread, but that incident had nothing to do with a PWL and everything to do with disengaging the brain.  I'm not trying to pick on Jason here; I've done the same thing myself and had similar experiences riding the slurpee-death train.

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17 years 3 weeks ago #185597 by Marcus
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Hey Sky,

I thought the consensus from Fortress last year was that all that slop failed on the PWL from December, finally brought back to activity as the snowpack thinned -- maybe I'm misremembering y'all's descriptions.

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