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Mt. Rainier: Prospects for Future Access
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What about quality of life and preserving what we have and existing roads are part of that.
Taxpayers, taxpayers it's all I bloody hear. Well I'm a frigging taxpayer aswell and I say some things are worth paying taxes for and the current access to the mountains is important to the whole quality of life that the PNW has! The tax money should of course be wisely and efficiently spent.
When I fist came to WA I remember driving up to Cascade Pass and seeing the waterfalls pouring off Johannesburg Mountian and thinking how wonderful it was. Not possible anymore due to road problems. ETC ETC ETC.
Access is important, period!
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- md2020
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as a taxpayer, I have some difficulty with the idea of spending all that $$$ just to allow access to fairly small amount of people. Perhaps the economic benefit to the surrounding communities justifies it, I don't know.
Well I'm a taxpayer. And I've got a LOT of difficulty paying for ... other things. Keeping the road to Paradise is peanuts.
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- Andrew Carey
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What?? The Nisqually and White River entrances are both in serious jeopardy??
For example, from Beasom's recent M.S. theis, addressing 410 just inside the park boundary (well before the turn to WR campgroud):
"Herrera (2005) documented the fact that State Route 410 was below the elevation of the river bed, a fact that we confirmed...the river bed in this location is also aggrading at a much higher rate than observed in similar gradient locations in the Park. This is a troubling finding, especially when compared to other rivers in similar situations at the Park (e.g. Tahoma Creek... ... Evidence of flood water flow is plainly visible since the entire forest floor is covered with several inches of overbank river sediment ...killing old growth forest ...trees are hundreds of feet tall, which present a risk to automobile traffic on State Route 410 ... The river has flooded across State Route 410 several times, and recently the Park has built a concrete reinforced, rock armored berm (Figure 6.4). We analyzed this berm on a cool, cloudy day to determine if the water in the side channel would be flowing across the road if the berm were not present (Figure 6.5). We found that at a low flow condition, the water would indeed be flowing across the road. The berm is at a location that is approximately 15 ft (4.6 m) below the bed elevation of the White River. It is unlikely that the berm would stop a large flood of the White River."
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- Gary Vogt
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Winter access? That's a tough one...I'm not sure the demand for access justifies keeping it open all winter.
We can expect the NPS to use 'safety' in addition to their cost excuses. I've heard many 'rangers', mostly supervisors & road patrol, express their opinion in recent years that it was simply too dangerous for the public to be allowed up to Paradise in the winter.
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- ron j
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Ahhhh, the awesome power of nature! One of the best excuses for inaction.
Of course the volcano will have the last say ... today, tomorrow, 2082, 2110, whenever! And rather that turn of events than a simple result of a self-fulfilling prophecy that governance must inept, uncoordinated, underfunded, and ineffective so lets not fund it to any realistic degree ... sorry, but I'm a fan of the folks who fought to establish the Park and of Herr Ricksecker who showed what marvelous gifts can be given the country by designing and constructing such a wonderful road to Paradise; we could do that then, but we can't even protect and maintain it now?
I'm with you, Andy.
Ever since we've been building roads we've been moving them. The old road beds are visible along the areas of road in jeopardy now. If they moved the washed out areas before they can do it again. we just need to support the funding of the maintenance.
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