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Black Diamond "Cheat Sheets" for skins +/-?

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18 years 1 month ago #179995 by wolfs
Has anyone else noticed detrimental effects on the stickiness of skin glue after leaving your skins on the "Cheat Sheet" that is supplied with the Black Diamond skins, over say a 9 month period? The Cheat Sheet is specifically recommended for long term storage in that way.

The story: Last year I bought some new (orange) wide BD skins, trimmed to fit my widest skis. When I got them the glue was nice and sticky, to the point that it was almost Shell No-Pest sticky, but nothing wrong with that. I rode this pair maybe a couple times last year then placed them onto the Cheat Sheets for storage, and into the bag. Stored skins in garage but well away from volatiles/solvents and not in a particularly hot spot.

This year when I broke these skins out after a 9 month hiatus the glue was barely sticky at all. For now I'm attributing this to the fact they were stored on the Cheat Sheets for that long, theorizing that the increased air exposure has allowed too much of the solvent in the glue to volatilize. I have also had no such thing happen with skins I've stored glue-to-glue, or for that matter with skins that were on Cheat Sheets but tended to get used more in the spring summer and fall, or alternated between being on and off the Cheat Sheets.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

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18 years 1 month ago #180007 by Zap
I have used the "cheat sheets" for a few years. I started using them on Jill's skins and then a couple of years ago used them on my skins. I just don't have the strength in my hands as I did years ago and it certainly has been helpful. I originally used the black cheat sheets on Jill's low fat skins which have a clear/tan glue side. I noticed small black flecks in the glue and the glue seemed to loose some of its stickiness over the summer. The cheat sheets are also a bit stiff. For the past 2 years, I switched to using the weed control cloth sold in the garden center at Lowes or Home Depot. It comes in various colors(I'm using tan) although blue would go with my outfit much better. ;) For about $1, you'll have all the material you will need for numerous skins. The material does not appear to "shed" anything onto the skin surface or have a negative impact on the glues performance. Although I always "touchup" the skin glue yearly. The material is soft and can be cut to any shape/size. The downside is the soft material can flutter in a breeze when you attempt to attach them to your skins. This may slow down your changeover time from skinning to skiing but then I'm not in a big rush.

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18 years 1 month ago #180010 by Jonathan_S.
I have had some cheat sheets disintegrate partially on me. (Mainly because I was removing them from the skins in the extreme cold, as I had taken a lift up then skied into the backcountry and skinned back up-- I suppose I deserve that for "cheating" that way.)

But I have not noticed any difference in glue adhesion over time. This includes both recently purchased skins that have always used cheat sheets, and some very old pairs that were recently outfitted with cheat sheets for the last few off-seasons. The storage time each off-season also varies significantly for my various pairs, with some going into July, and others just being used in the peak of the winter season.

If anything, I think the idea is that the cheat sheets help to preserve the glue, since otherwise, sometimes pulling the skins apart can cause one skin to tear off some of the glue from the other skin.

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