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18 years 2 months ago #179679
by Scotsman
Question for Avy Pros out there was created by Scotsman
As I stated in a previous post , while skiing at Crystal today I kept thinking about the recent deaths and I was wondering if any of the avalanche pros out there could tell me why when an extreme avalanche danger event such as took these lives occurs, why can't it be broadcast on the evening news with the weather report.
It is fairly normal to hear of small craft advisories for boaters and I'm not talking about an avy report with every weather forecast but only when the danger level rises to the extreme such as this last event. Couldn't King5 news and et al, be persuaded to include an avalanche danger waring with their weather report or is there some legal issue that would prevent it.
Has any of the avy forecast people ever contacted the news channels to see if this would be possible?
I'm sure this has been tought of before but I can't figure out why it wouldn't help and isn't done???
It is fairly normal to hear of small craft advisories for boaters and I'm not talking about an avy report with every weather forecast but only when the danger level rises to the extreme such as this last event. Couldn't King5 news and et al, be persuaded to include an avalanche danger waring with their weather report or is there some legal issue that would prevent it.
Has any of the avy forecast people ever contacted the news channels to see if this would be possible?
I'm sure this has been tought of before but I can't figure out why it wouldn't help and isn't done???
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18 years 2 months ago #179680
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Just to clarify my above post.
By broadcasting extreme avy danger on the weather report I'm not trying to reach the BC skiers such as on TAY who can all write paragraphs about temprature gradients and identify 30 types of snow crystals and who check the telemetry sites hourly but I'm suggesting the broadcast could reach" Bob and Betsy" who thought it might be nice to take a romantic snowshoe to Snow lake or the mother of a 20 year old snowboarder who might say" did you see the avy danger on the news tonight son, I don't think you should go".
By broadcasting extreme avy danger on the weather report I'm not trying to reach the BC skiers such as on TAY who can all write paragraphs about temprature gradients and identify 30 types of snow crystals and who check the telemetry sites hourly but I'm suggesting the broadcast could reach" Bob and Betsy" who thought it might be nice to take a romantic snowshoe to Snow lake or the mother of a 20 year old snowboarder who might say" did you see the avy danger on the news tonight son, I don't think you should go".
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18 years 2 months ago #179681
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I'm certainly not an Avy Pro, Scotty,
Nonetheless, I have heard both Rich Marriott and Jeff Renner mention high Avy danger in the mountains during their regular weather broadcasts.
They both, of course, come from an Avy background so it probably occurs to them to mention it more often than the other weather broadcasters.
Nonetheless, I have heard both Rich Marriott and Jeff Renner mention high Avy danger in the mountains during their regular weather broadcasts.
They both, of course, come from an Avy background so it probably occurs to them to mention it more often than the other weather broadcasters.
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18 years 2 months ago #179685
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Thats good to know Ron and must help but I was thinking of a more formalized warning system like the flood watch or wind advisory charts they flash up to show the danger areas.
I think a visual chart or table or avalanche dial would be more powerful in communicating the message in addition to a verbal statement.
Just brainstorming!
Chris
I think a visual chart or table or avalanche dial would be more powerful in communicating the message in addition to a verbal statement.
Just brainstorming!
Chris
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18 years 2 months ago #179689
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(another non-avy pro chiming in)
say that the same thing happens with avy warnings with wind, fire and flood warnings, etc. To play the devils advocate here, what if the less educated/less aware begin to rely on the fact that there is no "warning" for a particular day and therefore assume that conditions are completely safe, even if there is avy danger, just not extreme danger?
(i dont have a good answer, just throwing that out there)
also, mt baker this year as these big avy danger signs that kind of look like the forest fire danger ones. i dont know if they are temporary or what they are for in particular, i assume they will be up all season. ironically, there isnt one at the backcountry gate for artists point, just at the top of chair one.
say that the same thing happens with avy warnings with wind, fire and flood warnings, etc. To play the devils advocate here, what if the less educated/less aware begin to rely on the fact that there is no "warning" for a particular day and therefore assume that conditions are completely safe, even if there is avy danger, just not extreme danger?
(i dont have a good answer, just throwing that out there)
also, mt baker this year as these big avy danger signs that kind of look like the forest fire danger ones. i dont know if they are temporary or what they are for in particular, i assume they will be up all season. ironically, there isnt one at the backcountry gate for artists point, just at the top of chair one.
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18 years 2 months ago #179700
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Opininions are like %$&(@# and so here are mine. I think the reports are not a good idea. We should all be depending on our avalanche snow craft skills, snow pack history/information plus instinct (gut?). Too much of a false sense of security-- depending on other experts ("All the experts are dead...") opinions, especially what it "means" when there are no warnings posted. Any time there is wind, there can be locallized loading/wind slab-- and an "uninformed" traveler can without awareness happen upon these areas and be blindsided. Need to keep the message that one shouldn't go out in the terrain without knowledge as to how to travel safe and assess stability.
As I recall, statistically people die in the small slides (500' or less? something like that....); they were probably figuring, if they were 'figuring' at all, that there was no avalanche danger, but didn't take into account the real possibility of 'locallized' loading. Lots of people stay out of the backcountry when there is the public announcement of "high avalanche danger"....but the aware ones upon returning when the 'danger has lessoned', know that they can get the hammer just the same if they are not trying to stay out of the wind-loaded area and terrain traps. After all slopes can get loaded (locally...) from wind transport and from wind slab (duh..) even when it has not snowed for weeks. My rant....
As I recall, statistically people die in the small slides (500' or less? something like that....); they were probably figuring, if they were 'figuring' at all, that there was no avalanche danger, but didn't take into account the real possibility of 'locallized' loading. Lots of people stay out of the backcountry when there is the public announcement of "high avalanche danger"....but the aware ones upon returning when the 'danger has lessoned', know that they can get the hammer just the same if they are not trying to stay out of the wind-loaded area and terrain traps. After all slopes can get loaded (locally...) from wind transport and from wind slab (duh..) even when it has not snowed for weeks. My rant....
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