The ZEE ski mileage/vf skied ratio approval rating

in the WRX who insisted on passing on blind corners on hwy 2 last Saturday after cutting me off on at leaving Monroe 2-1 merge hill. If someone see him, please apply a mighty beating with an old ski pole (he is not worth bending a new one on).

still sore jd?
namaste, or your other bumpersticker ilk?

At risk of restirring the pot, I think it's worth bringing up our energy use once in a while. I try really hard to carpool regularly, both to work and the hills. I mean, how many Iraqs and ANWRs do we want to increase demand for? Flame on!

I wonder about wood skis and tar vs glass and some evil artificial base

I think old itchy wool clothing will help vs a oil based  synthetic fleece, organic peanut butter ??? vs my favorite "yard of beef"

how bout a wood pack frame vs one of those fancy new packs... :'(

its a good issue just hard for me to know where to draw the line. YMMV

I Know that for any trip, I like my backcountry hike/ski/paddle/fish time to at least be double any drive time and thats a minimal requirement

cheers to all

CW

Re: scotsman's suggested "PC-appropriate formula," this of course discriminates against "differently abled" folks who can't hike or ski or climb, but just want to drive up to Heather Meadows for a nice view or photography or whatever and may measure their personal benefits in some other way than vertical climbed... 

In any case, this and the other post clearly touch on a topic lots of folks here spend time thinking about. I'm finding myself agreeing with scotsman that slamming a TR doesn't seem like a really positive way to get a constructive conversation going while also agreeing with folks like telemack and yes, even zee, that there is nevertheless a conversation to be had here that is worthy of the TAY forum.

Clearly there are lots of choices we make that have environmental impacts, but how we transport ourselves has a MUCH larger impact than how we clothe ourselves or what kinds of materials are used in our skis (however, CW - you're onto something with the organic PB, as our food supply chain is another place where our consumer-level choices have a HUGE impact on the environment relative to most other choices, at least per the Union of Concerned Scientists who did what looked like a darned comprehensive study of environmental impacts of consumer behaviors/choices ). We could re-stoke the public policy debate that's been had on TAY and I suspect virtually every other outdoor discussion forum, but rather than go there, I'm just going to mention that for folks who care about the impact of their own travel to trailheads, one option to look at is NetGreen - these folks have combined the notion of a "carbon calculator" to figure out your own carbon emissions, and you can buy "carbon offsets" to essentially get to a net-neutral carbon footprint on the planet. If the whole planet did this, my understanding is that we'd run out of options to offset all our carbon outputs (at least given current concepts of how to do so), but there is currently a lot of opportunity, so this is at least a more positive step than simply worrying or expecting the government to take ALL the action or merely being argumentative about a disturbing topic. Doesn't address fuel use, but at least it helps with carbon emissions. Seems better than sticking one's head in the sand due to the complexity of all the issues and decisions.