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Can you see Vancouver BC from the top of Rainier?
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20 years 1 month ago #173520
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Replied by skykilo on topic Re: Can you see Vancouver BC from the top of Raini
Atmospheric corrections would vary widely with humidity, temperature and pressure. <br><br>As wolfs suggests, a mirage-like effect could greatly increase the range. I imagine under those circumstances the image would be rather distorted, though. Cool link, too!<br><br>No surprise about seeing St Helens from those elevations around Seattle. One can add ~27 miles for 500' of elevation.<br><br>Sam's observation is certainly farther than curvature alone would allow. Maybe he saw a superior mirage?<br><br>So I think I must change my answer to, "Not usually." But it must happen now and again.
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20 years 1 month ago #173521
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Replied by Lahar_Dar on topic Re: Can you see Vancouver BC from the top of Raini
It's interesting that 500' of elevation down low can add 27 miles, yet 3000'plus (diff.- Hood vs. Rainier) up high only adds 17 miles. This is according to Sky's chart.
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20 years 1 month ago - 20 years 1 month ago #173525
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Replied by skykilo on topic Re: Can you see Vancouver BC from the top of Raini
That's because it goes like a square root. It's the same reason why doing experiments to higher precision by collecting statistics gets real hard: the (random) statistical fluctuation is proportional to the square root of the number of events. The square root rises sharply near zero, then looks flat for large values.<br><br>Here is a graph of the distance one can see to a flat sea level from a summit, neglecting all atmospheric corrections. The highest summit on the graph would be Everest. Note how sharply the curve rises near zero. <br><br>
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20 years 1 month ago #173529
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For what it's worth I have seen Mt. Rainer from the top of Mary's Peak (el. 4097 ft) in winter on a clear day on several occasions. The Peak is approx. 20 miles west of Corvallis, OR and in the Coastal Mountain range. It's a relatively straight shot to Seattle which is 256 miles from Corvallis by vehicle. That would make Rainer at least 225 miles from Mary's Peak as the crow flies.
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20 years 1 month ago #173531
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As the bird flies, it's only 158 miles from Albany OR to Longmire WA. I don't think it could be more than 15-20 more miles as the bird flies from the summit of Mary's Peak to the summit of Rainier. Let's be conservative and call it 180 miles. <br><br>From the summit of a 4,100' peak to a 14,410' peak I get 225 miles geometrically. We could even subtract 15% for refraction and easily get this one. We don't need no stinking mirage!<br><br>I'll bet the birds are getting tired... I think I better let them rest tonight.
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20 years 1 month ago #173533
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Replied by Larry_Trotter on topic Re: Can you see Vancouver BC from the top of Raini
While I like my pythagorean method to calculating site distances, it is a rough method. Found some links that are much more studied....<br><br>How To Calculate Distances, Azimuths and Elevation Angles Of Peaks:
tchester.org/sgm/analysis/peaks/how_to_get_view_params.html
The Effect Of Atmospheric Refraction On The Observed Elevation Angles Of Peaks:<br> tchester.org/sgm/analysis/peaks/refraction.html
Here is a site that creates a graphic horizon for you based on your location:
Find mountain and peak name when hiking:<br> www.mountainpeaks.net/
The Effect Of Atmospheric Refraction On The Observed Elevation Angles Of Peaks:<br> tchester.org/sgm/analysis/peaks/refraction.html
Here is a site that creates a graphic horizon for you based on your location:
Find mountain and peak name when hiking:<br> www.mountainpeaks.net/
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