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Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
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21 years 1 month ago #170498
by gregL
Replied by gregL on topic Re: Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
Wasn't khayak or myself either; we were within earshot of the top on Edelweiss when we suddenly noticed distinct crack propagation with each uphill skin step and 2 instances of distinct "whooomphing" and bailed ASAP. Conditions had changed dramatically since the "dawn patrol" run earlier in the day. I was just pulling up in front of Pro Ski Service in North Bend at the time of the incident . . .
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21 years 1 month ago #170499
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Replied by kam on topic Re: Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
this morning at alpental, about 6-8" of the top layer was sliding pretty easily. on the ascent, this top layer 'cracked' under light ski-foot-pressure. and the hoar-layer everyone is familiar with is about 18-20" down as of this morning. anyway, please be careful.
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21 years 1 month ago #170511
by ron j
Replied by ron j on topic Re: Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
At the risk of telling most of y'all something that you already know...<br><br>there's no reason to risk life and limb to have fun skiing in the backcountry, even with the persistent weak layers that we are experiencing in our snowpack right now.<br><br>A more fun and life extending alternative is to copy the old weenies and stick to the conservative terrain that won't slide when it goes "whump". <br>Our geezer patrol will be sticking to trees and shallow slope angles (< 25 degrees) until the snow pack out there becomes more stable. Unless you plan on doing your own patrol work by triggering slides before and in the path of each intender run, You might consider doing the same.<br><br>Another option is to do some real "tours" and go for distance like TAY Charles and some of the other "fish scale riders" do.<br><br>Where? Well, for starters there's lots of good low angle tree skiing around Mt Catherine and Nordic Pass in the Snoqualmie Pass area, and in the Paradise area at the north end of the Paradise Valley and also up on the top of the Mazama Ridge above Reflection Lakes.<br><br>So gang, in hopes that no more our backcountry brothers and sisters get hurt doing what we love... How 'bout giving up some of your low angle stashes, glades and long, flat and fun destinations? <br> <br>Lots of places out there. C'mon, give it up -- where can you suggest that folks go to ski and ride that has a greater degree of safety in high avy danger?<br>
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21 years 1 month ago #170512
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Replied by jimjar on topic Re: Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
Great post Ron. I will be sticking to the low angle stuff for sure.
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21 years 1 month ago - 21 years 1 month ago #170513
by gregL
Replied by gregL on topic Re: Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
It's not just here - this from Utah today . . .<br><br>
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6827473/
. . . and Tahoe . . .
www.couloirmag.com/by_contributor/cateri...ss-Slide-1-11-05.jpg
. . . and Tahoe . . .
www.couloirmag.com/by_contributor/cateri...ss-Slide-1-11-05.jpg
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21 years 1 month ago - 21 years 1 month ago #170514
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Replied by Lahar_Dar on topic Re: Hoar layer developing in the N Cascades.
The Sierras are also sliding on a "rain lens". I was sent a picture showing a 3 meter crown in the Mt. Rose backcountry around Tahoe. Small bowl skiing area, with big slide factor right now. Be careful, it's going to warm up tomorrow. HA!, right before my post, Greg puts this up. Thats the one!!
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