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Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Station
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21 years 2 months ago #170268
by skip
Replied by skip on topic Re: Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Stati
I had to bite my keyboard lip when this conversation was more active, because my initial reaction was spout off my thoughts on the matter without knowing much about it. That said, I instead wrote the park's plant ecologist to learn her thoughts on the matter. She today responded thusly:<br><br>"Thank you for your interest in the regulations regarding snow depth and skiing. We have some data from a variety of places that I will share with you. Near the parking lot, in an area where we allow "snowplay" - essentially sledding, we conducted a survey of vegetation height. The area is covered with mostly low shrubs and young trees. The maximum height of the measured shrubs was 2.7 feet while the mean was 0.9 feet. Conditions of snow vary and general recommendations for protection of vegetation are to have 2 feet of snow above the vegetation to allow for compaction, particularly where there is repeated use in the same track. As you climb higher in Paradise, the shrubs and tree transition to lower vegetation, that could likely withstand a lower snowpack for repeated activities.<br><br>"We have photodocumentation of damage to vegetation done by skiiers and snowboarders when the snow levels are low. The carving of turns in low snow can expose and carve into the vegetated surface. Some people run across young trees, breaking their tops off. Additionally, the construction of jumps has led to damage by exposing the ground and even pulling out plants while digging the snow to create the jumps.<br><br>"Snow compaction studies have shown that heavy snow compaction can lead to shifts in vegetation resulting from the mere compaction as well as the delayed meltout time. I'm sure you have seen areas where heavily used cross country ski tracks or even tire tracks are still visible while areas adjacent have melted out. This delay in meltout in the alpine/subalpine environment with a short growing season can lead to a complete shift in the plant community from the showy flower species to more grasslike species.<br><br>"The requirement of 2 feet of snow for skiing and boarding is in place to protect the resources of the park. I am certain that there are many skiers and snowboarders who are very conscientious visitors and in small numbers would have minimal impact on the Paradise area. Since Paradise is the most heavily visited area of the park in summer and winter we must develop guidance that prevents unacceptable impacts."<br><br>She ended her note with an invitation to ask her any additional questions if I had any, but this is reason enough for me.<br><br>Now that you know more on the park's position, I'll offer a sliver of my own: the takeaway here, I believe, is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If that means I need to boot it a little ways up the trail until the snow deepens, I'm more than willing to do that. And to be honest, I'm a little surprised to find backcountry skiers that aren't.<br><br>Having said that, I'm certain there are those wholly unconvinced by the small amount of science she forwarded. You may have good reason to believe that. However, if having worked heavily in research for the past decade has taught me anything it's that there's always other interpretations and other data. Sometimes you have to make a call and have that be the policy. With a delicate natural resource, it seems quite reasonable that policy would fall on the conservative side. And we are talking about Paradise here--the area surrounding the parking lot is the destination of many summer tourists. I think it's less than surprising they pay more attention to its usage and its showy flowers than to less popular parts of the park.<br><br>With regard to crabby rangers, she didn't send me any data on that policy.
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21 years 2 months ago #170277
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Replied by Ed on topic Re: Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Stati
Good research Skip. Somewhat related, I was told by a NFS ranger (tele skier) last winter that late snow melt out which leads to reduced plant growth, is one problem that may be developing at Yellowstone as a result of snow machine trails in the park. I'll walk a bit if that's what it takes to keep the resource.
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21 years 2 months ago #170278
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Replied by JMor on topic Re: Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Stati
<br><br>Thanks Skip for taking the time to get the info. I agree with you, if I need to boot a little ways further up the trail, no big deal. I love the start of the "new" season, and am always anxious to ski that new snow, but I also love the beauty the park has to offer in the summer with that beautiful endless blanket of wildflowers. <br>an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If that means I need to boot it a little ways up the trail until the snow deepens, I'm more than willing to do that.
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21 years 2 months ago #170279
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Replied by ron j on topic Re: Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Stati
Yeah, nice work, Skipper,<br>High Five<br>
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21 years 2 months ago #170280
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Replied by Larry_Trotter on topic Re: Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Stati
It would be useful if during marginal snow depth conditions, that perhaps the rangers could clearly mark the lower meadow trails - so we could ski down the actual trail with confidence, thereby reducing damage.<br><br>It seems to me that if yer cut'n turns and you can see that you are turning up meadow veggies, then y'all know that's not good. Most of us, I believe, try to be responsble. Some of the younger guys may need to be educated as to how it takes many, many years for meadow damage to repair itself.<br><br>
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21 years 2 months ago #170281
by Randito
Replied by Randito on topic Re: Closure notice received at MRNP Entrance Stati
That would be nice, but frankly the paid staff rangers are so understaffed that they don't have time to do winter trail marking hardly at all. The vast majority of winter trail marking and maintaince is performed by volunteer's from the Washington Ski Touring Club's Nordic Patrol (
www.wstc.org/patrol/patrol.htm
). You could join with us and be part of the solution. As a Ski Patrol volunteer you get to stay in a nice house at Longmire and sometimes enjoy getting to Paradise before the gate opens to the general public.
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