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Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
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21 years 9 months ago #169325
by markharf
Replied by markharf on topic Re: Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
Most of us seem to be making perfect sense, quibbling only about relatively insignificant details. Like Greg, I've often judged incorrectly?booted when I should have skinned, skinned when I should have booted. <br><br>FWIW, I've both skinned and booted up that last 100 feet to Blue Lake Col, and booting is generally easier. In powder, however, and when the cornice isn't too threatening, sometimes I just don't feel like bending over to take off my skis (see geezer references above). At those times, powering up the slope just feels better, efficiency be damned.<br><br>In the end, the most efficient way to spend your time has nothing to do with spending hours and hours climbing mountains in order to return to the bottom at a high rate of speed. I'm in favor of doing more of whatever feels good at the time. If I didn't enjoy the uphills, I'd retire to something less stressful, like watching extreme sports on TV from the comfort and safety of my couch.
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21 years 9 months ago - 21 years 9 months ago #169326
by Lowell_Skoog
Replied by Lowell_Skoog on topic Re: Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
I prefer to skin. For me, booting up to ski down is like doing half a ski trip.
<br><br>I also feel that skinning is more efficient than booting in most snow conditions (but not all). Its like the difference between walking on pavement and walking on sand.<br><br>A lot of my early trips were overnighters or multiday trips carrying a heavy pack. Taking skis off the feet and piling them on top of an already heavy load was to be avoided, so I worked on my skinning technique.<br><br>A few years ago my wife and I skied the Monte Rosa in Switzerland. We left the cabin in the dark when the snow was frozen hard as a rock. Nobody climbed on boots. Everybody used skins and harscheisen. We "did like the Romans" and it really did seem faster.<br><br>I can't recall ever being passed on a long climb by someone on foot when I was on skins.
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21 years 9 months ago - 21 years 9 months ago #169327
by Paul Belitz
Replied by Paul Belitz on topic Re: Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
<br>This might have to do with something other than the relative efficiencies of skins vs boots, rather the relative efficiencies of the skinner vs hiker....I can't recall ever being passed on a long climb by someone on foot when I was on skins.<br>
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21 years 9 months ago #169328
by Jim Oker
Replied by Jim Oker on topic Re: Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
...which perhaps makes a good point about the comment "I'll take a nap on the summit while waiting for you"?<br><br>I know people who have back trouble and so strive to keep their packs light. I know people who either have bad climbing technique (yes - this takes a while to develop, just like downhill technique, and can make a large difference!!) or poor equipment (e.g. straight skins on heavily shaped skis) who will boot up when possible. <br><br>I personally try to pick a nice moderate uphill line and keep skis on feet whenever possible, and don't worry much about who is getting ahead or behind, but if it is starting to be a pain (e.g. slipping out sideways or backwards, too many kick turns required, etc. then I start hiking). Works well for me, and most of my partners seem to be able to follow such a line w/o cursing. I kept skis on longer than most on the headwall on the Adams false summit last summer, and seemed to be keeping pace with the same hikers I then kept pace with after switching to hiking (due to starting to slip out sideways a bit), so my guess is that in borderline conditions it's a bit of a wash, frankly, and so no need to get on high horses on this topic unless your pals are holding you up due to pig-headedness!<br><br>
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21 years 9 months ago #169329
by skykilo
Replied by skykilo on topic Re: Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
After seeing Lowell, and subsequently trying ski crampons myself, I definitely agree about the harscheisen. I still feel the same way in general, but when (and it is no longer if) I get ski crampons of my own it will greatly extend the range of conditions and slope angles in which I skin.
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21 years 9 months ago - 21 years 9 months ago #169330
by Lowell_Skoog
Replied by Lowell_Skoog on topic Re: Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
<br><br>Extending this idea, when I do take my skis off to boot, I will often put on crampons even if they're not strictly necessary. If I have to kick very hard to make a step, if figure I'm wasting energy and time. With crampons I just step rather than kick-step. This is especially helpful when climbing a weak crust. You're less likely to punch through the crust if you don't have to kick steps.<br><br>I like to zig-zag like a spider up the slope with crampons, an ice axe, and one ski pole. I rarely boot straight up a slope unless my path is restricted or I'm following a ribbon of good snow.I also feel that skinning is more efficient than booting in most snow conditions (but not all). Its like the difference between walking on pavement and walking on sand.
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