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Lyman Lake SNOTEL hits 100" snowdepth!?! 05Jan2015

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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 4 weeks ago #223452 by Amar Andalkar
Well, it almost hit 100"! I was really hoping last night and this morning that it would make it, but even once it was clear that it would fall just short, I decided to go ahead and write this up. So here goes another snowdepth thread, see also last month's thread:
Lassen Peak CA reaches 100" snowdepth!! 17Dec2014


UPDATE 18Jan2015: Well, today Lyman Lake SNOTEL really did break 100" easily, and it once again has the greatest snowdepth of any SNOTEL site in the country. See more details and plots in Reply #13 below .


[hr]I'm still actively looking for positive snowpack news amid all the gloom and rain and negativity thus far this season, so here it is: Despite the slow start to the season, as of this morning the Pacific Northwest had the deepest snowpack at any measurement site in the country! (And even before that, ski conditions were good-to-great during last week's sunshine at many locations in the WA Cascades, with stable powder on northerly aspects and even proto-corn on steeper southerly aspects by New Year's Day!)

Following over 20" of new snowfall since Sunday morning, the Lyman Lake SNOTEL site at 5980 ft in the North Cascades near Holden reached 99" of snowdepth for several hours this morning. This is now the deepest snowpack at any measurement site in Washington and Oregon, and was also (almost certainly, unless I really missed something someplace) for a few hours the deepest of any measurement site in North America:
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Lyman Lake (606)
Washington SNOTEL Site - 5980 ft

                    Snow         Precip
                   Water  Snow   since   Air
Date / Time        Equiv  Depth  Oct 1  Temp
(PST)               (in)  (in)    (in)  (°F)
2015-01-04 00:00    22.3    80    37.1    24
2015-01-04 01:00    22.3    80    36.1    23
2015-01-04 02:00    22.3    80    36.2    23
2015-01-04 03:00    22.3    80    36.1    24
2015-01-04 04:00    22.3    80    36.2    24
2015-01-04 05:00    22.3    80    36.2    24
2015-01-04 06:00    22.3    80    36.2    24
2015-01-04 07:00    22.3    79    36.1    22
2015-01-04 08:00    22.3    80    36.2    23
2015-01-04 09:00    22.3    80    36.0    24
2015-01-04 10:00    22.4    80    36.1    24
2015-01-04 11:00    22.4    80    36.2    24
2015-01-04 12:00    22.4    80    36.2    24
2015-01-04 13:00    22.5    80    36.2    24
2015-01-04 14:00    22.6    81    36.1    23
2015-01-04 15:00    22.7    82    36.2    30
2015-01-04 16:00    22.8    81    36.3    32
2015-01-04 17:00    22.9    83    36.3    33
2015-01-04 18:00    23.1    84    36.4    33
2015-01-04 19:00    23.3    84    36.4    33
2015-01-04 20:00    23.5    86    37.4    33
2015-01-04 21:00    23.6    87    37.5    34
2015-01-04 22:00    23.8    90    37.6    34
2015-01-04 23:00    24.0    91    37.7    34
2015-01-05 00:00    24.2    92    37.7    34
2015-01-05 01:00    24.4    95    37.8    34
2015-01-05 02:00    24.6    94    37.9    34
2015-01-05 03:00    24.7    96    38.2    34
2015-01-05 04:00    24.8    94    38.3    34
2015-01-05 05:00    24.9    98    38.4    34
2015-01-05 06:00    24.9    96    38.5    34
2015-01-05 07:00    25.1    98    38.6    34
2015-01-05 08:00    25.2    97    38.7    34
2015-01-05 09:00    25.3    99    38.7    34
2015-01-05 10:00    25.5    99    39.0    35
2015-01-05 11:00    25.6    99    39.2    35
2015-01-05 12:00    25.6    98    39.4    35
2015-01-05 13:00    25.7    98    39.5    35
2015-01-05 14:00    25.7    98    39.6    36
2015-01-05 15:00    25.7    98    39.6    36
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Its closest competitors in the Cascades are the California Cooperative Snow Surveys telemetry site on Lassen Peak at 8250 ft near Lake Helen which has settled to about 90" from its maximum of about 110" in late December, followed by the Brown Top (5830 ft) and Harts Pass (6490 ft) SNOTEL sites in the North Cascades, both of which have reached 86" today with about 20" of new snow since yesterday. Although Harts Pass had been leading all WA and OR sites in snowdepth as of mid-December, Lyman Lake passed it around Christmas and has never trailed since. In the Rockies, the Moss Peak SNOTEL (6780 ft) in Montana has reached 98" following about 18" new the past 2 days, while the Grand Targhee SNOTEL (9260 ft) in Wyoming has 86" now with also about 18" new the past 2 days. UPDATE since this post was written: Moss Peak SNOTEL reached 100" for a couple of hours late Monday afternoon. But the Noisy Basin SNOTEL (6040 ft) in Montana, which has a 3-hour data interval and which I had missed earlier, not only reached but surpassed that mark, with 100" at noon and 104" as of 6pm, so it appears to have the deepest snowpack of any SNOTEL site since noon today. About 3 ft of new snow has fallen at that site in the past 2 days, increasing the snowdepth from 75" to 104".

The Lyman Lake SNOTEL site is one of the original SNOTEL sites installed when the network was first launched during the summer and fall of 1978, one of 7 sites installed in Washington state that year (29 sites were installed in Oregon that year, and almost 200 sites throughout the western states). Here are reverse-chronological listings of all SNOTEL sites in Washington , Oregon , and also in all states , which provide a nice perspective on the development of the network. Interestingly, Washington's SNOTEL network has been expanded greatly over the past 2 decades, with over half of the 75 active sites installed since 1990 and over 1/3 of them since 2000. In contrast, almost all of Oregon's 81 sites were installed before 1981, with no further sites installed until 1997 and only a dozen new sites added since then.

Although the Lyman Lake SNOTEL site was installed in the late summer of 1978, only temperature, precip, and snow-water-equivalent were initially available (and there appears to have been a data outage for the entire first winter too). A snowdepth sensor wasn't installed until September 2005, part of a very-welcome but long-overdue program to add snowdepth sensors to all older SNOTEL sites, something which really should have been done 1-2 decades earlier. Although perhaps unimportant for water-supply forecasting (the original and still-main purpose of the entire SNOTEL network), the snowdepth is important for a wide range of other uses (recreation, avalanche forecasting, etc.), and it provides an important cross-check on the often-flaky SWE data, especially during and after major snowfall events.

The site is located in sloping open forest northwest of the (lowest) 5598 ft Lyman Lake, just off the Railroad Creek Trail below Cloudy Pass, barely 1/2 mile east of the Cascade Crest and about 6 miles west of Holden. Here's a satellite-topo overlay map centered on the site location and a summertime site picture from the NRCS website :



A monthly manual snow course site is also located nearby, with snow depth and snow water data extending back to 1928 , although generally only for the 1st of February, March, and April, with very spotty data collection in recent decades. The Lyman Lake site has fairly large snowdepths, with an average March 1 and April 1 snowdepth of about 140" and record depths of over 220" in late March of 1972 and 1976, although these averages are still about 20% less than the highest-snowdepth sites in the Cascades such as Mount Baker Ski Area, Mount Rainier Paradise, and Lassen Peak Lake Helen. Average annual precipitation is almost 80", with average maximum snow water of about 62" by late-April, so that on-average the overwhelming majority of precip from November through April falls as snow at this site. The plot of SWE and precip for Lyman Lake SNOTEL site makes this clear:



Currently the water-year precip is about 115% of normal, while SWE is about 90% of normal. As far as I can determine from extrapolation, today's snowdepth of 99" is roughly 100% of normal for this date, although there is simply not enough early-January snowdepth data to make that comparison with better than about 10% accuracy.

Here is a plot of snowdepth, snow water, precip, and temperature since the start of the water year on October 1, made using the NRCS Report Generator (this plot was added 1 week after the initial post, so it nicely shows the snowpack settling after hitting 99"):




Sites at higher elevations in the eastern North Cascades continue to have the best snowpack in the Pacific Northwest both in absolute terms and as a percent of normal, with several other sites also being fairly close to normal snowpack. How's the overall Northwest snowpack doing? Certainly much better than it was as of mid-December. The current January 1 CLISNO report from NWAC ( current and older reports are archived here ) shows snowdepths still below-normal, but vastly improved from the the bleak situation of December 15 which had record or near-record lows at several sites. Current values are not even close to record lows at any site:
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CLIMATOLOGICAL SNOWDEPTH INFORMATION
NORTHWEST AVALANCHE CENTER SEATTLE WASHINGTON
DAY  1  MONTH  1  YEAR  2015

DATA IN INCHES, -99 DENOTES MISSING DATA

            CURRENT  CLIMATE  PER CENT   LAST  THRU 2014  THRU 2014
            DEPTH    AVERAGE  OF NORMAL  YEAR  MAX/YEAR   MIN/YEAR

HURRICANE    22       58       38         13    97/2013    11/1981
MT BAKER     43       89       48         51   190/1949     1/1928
STEVENS      33       62       53         32   117/1956    10/1981
SNOQUALMIE   22       53       42         14   136/1949     0/1981
STAMPEDE    -99       57      -99         10   132/1949     0/1981
MISSION      21       31       68         12    56/1997     6/1976
CRYSTAL      23       43       53         11    72/2007     5/1981
PARADISE     63       91       69         54   163/1969    20/1977
WHITE PASS   15       36       42          2    84/1997     2/2014
TIMBERLINE   49       80       61         29   173/1985     8/1977
MEADOWS      41       71       58         24   145/1985     6/1981


CLIMATOLOGICAL SNOWDEPTH INFORMATION
NORTHWEST AVALANCHE CENTER SEATTLE WASHINGTON
DAY  15  MONTH  12  YEAR  2014

DATA IN INCHES, -99 DENOTES MISSING DATA

            CURRENT  CLIMATE  PER CENT   LAST  THRU 2013  THRU 2013
            DEPTH    AVERAGE  OF NORMAL  YEAR  MAX/YEAR   MIN/YEAR

HURRICANE     4       48        8         10    83/2006    10/2013
MT BAKER      6       68        9         43   168/1948    16/1976
STEVENS      11       44       25         26    80/1973     5/1976
SNOQUALMIE    6       36       17          9   116/1948     0/1976
STAMPEDE    -99       42      -99         10   119/1948     9/1976
MISSION       2       23        9         14    49/2006     4/1975
CRYSTAL       2       34        6          9    72/1996     9/2013
PARADISE     22       68       32         42   170/1948     4/1976
WHITE PASS    0       28        0          4    73/1996     2/1989
TIMBERLINE   11       63       17         27   145/1984     0/1976
MEADOWS       2       54        4         24   118/1984     8/1989

THIS TABLE PRODUCED ON THE 1ST AND 15TH BETWEEN 15 NOVEMBER AND 1 MAY.

AVERAGES, MAXIMUMS AND MINIMUMS EARLY AND LATE IN THE SEASON MAY BE
INACCURATE DUE TO LIMITED DATA.

IF THERE IS TIE FOR THE MAXIMUM OR MINIMUM SNOW DEPTH THEN THE LATEST
YEAR IS INDICATED.

RECORDS BEGIN: HURRICANE 1979, MT BAKER 1926, STEVENS 1939,
SNOQUALMIE 1929, STAMPEDE 1943, MISSION RIDGE 1970,
CRYSTAL 1967, PARADISE 1926, WHITE PASS 1976,
TIMBERLINE 1973, MT HOOD MEADOWS 1974.

NOTE: NRCS DATA USED AT STAMPEDE STARTING 2006-2007 SEASON.
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Here is a view of snowpack conditions from the SNOTEL network throughout the west, except most of California which has a separate state-run network. Current snowpack (snow water equivalent) as a percent of normal is much improved from mid-December but still below-normal in the Northwest:


Water year to date precipitation (since Oct 1) as a percent of normal, which in sharp contrast to SWE remains above normal throughout the Northwest, just as it was in December:



Meanwhile in California, the fairly-promising early season has faded out recently, with very little additional snowfall in the past 2 weeks (except for a relatively major storm in the SoCal mountains just before New Year's, but there are no snow telemetry sites in the SoCal mountains). In the California Cascades, snowdepths at the higher-elevation sites on Shasta and Lassen still remain near-normal, although now heading slightly-below, and nowhere near 150% of normal like a few weeks ago. At lower elevation sites in the California Cascades and almost all sites in the Sierra Nevada, the snowpack is now well below-normal, ranging from 50% of normal for this date in the north to 40-45% farther south. Definitely not what they were hoping for after 3 years of intense drought, although still much better than last year's nightmare (the yellow line in these plots):




Unfortunately, there's nothing very promising predicted for the first half of January by the NWS 6-10 and 8-14 Day Outlooks , with temperatures expected to be well above-normal and precip below-normal, so the snowpack will continue to remain well below-normal in Washington, Oregon, and California for at least a while longer. At least for California, precip is expected to be above-normal over the next 3 months, so there is strong hope for continued improvement in drought conditions (and mountain snowpack) down there.


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11 years 1 month ago #223466 by Floater
We can cut this data a lot of ways, but in all honesty it shows another poor year following a prior poor year. The seasons are getting shorter and the temperatures are on average slightly warmer. On average this situation is not going to get better. We will still have our good years but they will be fewer and farther in between. This January I suspect will be bleak followed maybe by some mild improvement in February and March if we are lucky. The problem is the lower elevation snowpack it will not improve. There has been an amazing change in the lower elevation snowpack compared to two three decades ago. Now it can not even be called a snowpack. Snoqualmie is the first of the major passes to see this big drop in average snowpack. You can dress up the pig, but it is still a pig. You can try and talk around it, but climate change is upon us and it is accelerating.

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11 years 1 month ago #223467 by androolus
Does 20 inches of new in 4 hours with a temp of 34 degrees imply heavy wet snow or snow falling off trees?

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11 years 1 month ago #223469 by Kyle Miller
The biggest convergent zone in Washington :)

The 2004-2005 season was when I really started getting into the backcountry.

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11 years 1 month ago #223470 by Charlie Hagedorn

Does 20 inches of new in 4 hours with a temp of 34 degrees imply heavy wet snow or snow falling off trees?


The water-equivalent data (basically the weight of the snowpack) rise so smoothly, I doubt that it's tree bombs. I didn't notice the 34F measurements on the first look; good catch!

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11 years 1 month ago #223500 by AndyMartin
Regrettably, I think Floater has it exactly right.

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