Phantom avy info? 04/06/11

Oh good. Thanks for clearing that up. He will probably wonder what that text from me was all about then.

I will keep an eye out for those things next time I get up there.

I lost a 185 Kilowatt 2 years ago, so if you can't find it and the size is right i'd be happy to help out or buy the single off you or something. I may also have a single fritchi but I think it is size XL. Let me know if I can help.

Amazing read and thank you for sharing. Pictures of the bed surface and crown will be of value to the incident report at some point.

I have some Immodium if things get ugly, but he turns it down. 

Is "Immodium" a typo, or what that changed to protect the innocent (guilty?). I am unaware of the applications of Immodium in a trauma situation (unless you are scared S***less). I always travel with some serious prescription pain killers and they have saved the day in situations similar to yours.

Ha -- no. A friend asked me that this morning. I did have Immodium and I offered it in jest to Roger -- I mentioned it in the write-up because, despite the tone of the whole affair, that's where we were at the time. Everyone in our party was just rock solid, in excellent spirits and happy to be alive. So much so that we were joking around and having as good a time as we could make of it, which made it pretty easy to deal with.

I beg to differ. Hit "ALL", start at the top, read each post and you will see there is a clear expectation for personal accountability in his decision to ski.

ACTUALLY, YOU are wrong and assuming that. I wanted to know what layers released and if it seemed obvious to Marcus in retrospect why it let go... I have ZERO interest in second guessing his risk accessment, nor do I plan to take part in any monday morning quarterbacking beyond my own internal decision making and incorporating his analysis of where the snowpack failed.

I was there that day skiing, I observed the snowpack first hand. I skied it inbounds and wanted to know ONLY what layers failed and possibly what contributed to it..  

A few weeks ago, I skied first tracks out to piss pass with another skier. It was very windscoured, and the fresh few inches had a windslab to them. The next day, someone here reported they got caught in that same area and was burried up to their waist, but was thankfully unhurt. After reading his account, I thought that maybe, had I reported the windslab layer the day before, perhaps it would have been helpful in his own risk accessment.

My reason for not posting a trip report was mostly due to my neophyte status here in comparison to some of the people here who have decades of experience traveling this sort of terrain.

I do know this for certain. I communicate and cautiously approach terrain. I try to watch for warning signs of problematic snowpack. Any person reporting release events goes into my personal risk acessment. I also use the NWAC forecast as a guide, but if I don't rely strictly on it if we get 16 inches of snow, when they made their prediction based on a forecast of 6 inches.... I know I need to question the published risk accessment.

Thanks Marcus. The story was sobering.

Glad you are ok. If you have a pair of skis, I would lend you one of my pair of NTN's to get you on the snow again..... shoot me a PM if you want..

Marcus, thanks for your offer to provide more details, and then doing so. As expected, there's much interesting, sobering, and educational info in your first two reports already, nicely written.

[hr]Just to clear something up, and try to end the side-argument which has been nearly de-railing this thread:

In reply #12 above, Marcus offered "Much more detail to follow."
In the next reply #13 above, I quoted his text, and stated "Looking forward to a detailed analysis / report. There's probably much to learn from it."  How could several people (specifically gravitymk, but perhaps others like jwplotz and superyeti too who are aggressively posting above) misinterpret my words to mean "posts like Amar's specifically stating that they wanted to see a report"? I said nothing like that at all. Marcus offered more details, and I said I was looking forward to reading those details. That is entirely different than me stating that I expected or wanted a report. There is almost no room for misinterpretation, and yet some did exactly that.

Then in reply #19, Marcus says flat out that "I'll have a full write-up in the next couple of days." So basically, everyone in this thread who said they looked forward to a report, or wanted to read and learn from it, was stating so in direct reply to Marcus' offer. No one was trying to ask him for a report, or pressure him in any way, or say that they expected accountability. Everyone was writing what they wrote after Marcus had voluntarily offered to provide more details and a full write-up. Maybe some people need to read threads more carefully before deciding to post misdirected replies, which reveal that they did not properly read (or misunderstood/misinterpreted) the preceding posts in the thread.

It's just like some people totally not getting Plinko's joke about Alpental in reply #14 above, and misinterpreting his words, but at least in that case the joke could only be understood if you had read another recent thread about Alpental ( this one ). But in this case, everything should have been cleared up just by reading the preceding posts in the thread, specifically those two from Marcus.