TAY Atmosphere

The other side of the coin is what I refer to as relationship perfectionism. This is the position where conflict is viewed as abhorrent, and something to be avoided. I think some folks here believe in a more conflict-limiting approach, while others prefer a more conflict-is-allowed approach.

I am all for conflict.  Disagreement, spirited discussion, outright arguing are all good things.  I just prefer when it takes the form of "here is what I think and why" instead of the "you must be an idiot if you think that" approach.

What I hope is that people who are members of this community can see that spirited discussions, as with family, aren't intended to ruin someones day. Usually, I give the benefit of the doubt. Does this person really intend to offend me?

I also agree with this, there needs to be a certain amount of back and forth to eliminate any misunderstanding.  The ability to be open minded and give the benefit of the doubt allows the conversation to continue.  I am prone to sarcasm and often make light of a situation or topic.  I don't mean to offend, but if I do, I hope someone would point it out.

CookieMonster - for the record, I don't recall you ever coming across as an ass.  I just have a hard time reconciling your picture with my 4 yr old's little blue stuffy.

Don't see a lot of reports from myself and the old guard. 

When TAY first started, Charles used us (myself, Ron and a few others) as his “guinea pigs” before opening a new section of the board.  TAY was a place to go to get great information, read trip reports, post pictures, see others comments and feel “safe”.  As communities grow so does its membership and with that so do personalities.  Fun jarring was accepted,  flame throwing and bullying didn't happen.  There has been a turn by some in this community which has gone over the line. 

I have been reluctant to post or add to a thread for "fear" of bullying or intimidation.  Becoming a member of the "geezer" status makes for shorter trips and much smaller aspirations.  There have been many times when even our short tours have produced some great conditions, but for fear of the "bullying" aspect I am reluctant to post.  Proud to be in my 6th decade and still enjoying the BC. I would like to see TAY stay positive and civil, (disagreements ok) but stop the name calling, foul language, and bullying.

I am all for conflict.  Disagreement, spirited discussion, outright arguing are all good things.  I just prefer when it takes the form of "here is what I think and why" instead of the "you must be an idiot if you think that" approach.

Bingo. To those who are skeptical, try it! Try being as opinionated as ever about the interesting topics at hand, but attempt to leave out personal attacks, namecalling, and guesses at the intentions of the other posters (these being far less interesting and more corrosive topics).

I use TAY mostly in this order weather links, trip reports for ideas and entertainment, random tracks for knowledge and entertainment, and personal yardsale for gear.

When reading trip reports and random tracks, I specifically look for posts that Scotsman started and/or has contributed to, because his posts are usually intelligent, articulate and funny. I don't want him to be banned or censored because some people have fragile egos. Just looking at the CONTENT of some of his posts, he isn't criticizing people's worth or value, but their judgement and/or actions. Ironically, responses to his criticisms often contain personal attacks.

Steve

In a nutshell, I'm happy with my experience. I have been educated as in my thread "Dynafit for Dummies" and many others. I've also been rebuked (I think) but as my WWII Special Forces dad once said to me, "They can't shoot you so what's the problem?".  I like TAY as I do the newspaper. A mixture of Fact (Stock Quotes) Fiction (Politics) and Entertainment(Comics) with a little You're an Idiot (OP ED's) thrown. As with the newspaper, I take what I need and ignore the rest.  I am currently in the process of writing a well thought out, non-threatening and constructive reply requiring much self introspection and rewriting. In the meantime as I read this thread, visions pop into my head that make me chuckle.  Based on a way more previous post so as not to offend.

CADDYSHACK!!!

I'm not a big poster in general, mostly because I don't feel like my TR's are really that worthy. I don't go anywhere too special and never to any secret spots but I’ve been trying to get some info out there lately if it helps others. I try to jump in on the random tracks posts if I think I can add some info/value but that's not too often as many folks jump on right away and provide some good info/replies. I’ve gotten a lot of value from some of the tech/gear info on the random tracks pages.

I am a fan of keeping personal attacks at bay. To me disagreeing on stuff is a-ok and can drive better info/answers. But telling someone they are a moron for disagreeing is not fun to be around – whether or not it is directed at me or someone else.

Keith's approach made sense to me. As moderator if you feel things are going down the wrong path then maybe it can be addressed offline and give poster a chance to revisit. If the poster doesn't address then you can take action. Maybe this is what you do already. Any of the pissing match stuff gets old fast and would be fine by me if that was shut down outright.

I also like Joedabaker's idea of killing the lift accessed stuff.