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5 years 5 days ago - 5 years 5 days ago #234668 by mBraun
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My other post about leashes received some great help, so here is another one. I posted this problem with new skins at the end of another thread about skins and received only one response from Kamtron. (Thank you, Kamtron.) Maybe his comment is the answer. If anyone else has suggestions, I'd greatly appreciate to hear them.

I have a new pair of BD Ascensions for a new pair of skis (116 waist, 145 &125 at tip and tail). The skis are unwaxed. I put the skins on at home a couple hours before their first use on 2/7/21 at Stevens Pass. They worked great for the first ascent of 1600-ft. I was careful to keep snow off of them when I transitioned to my descent, used the "glue saver" mesh as I folded each separately, and put them inside of my jacket. After that the glue just would not stick, although one did stick a little. Back home, dry and warm, the glue again is so strong it takes Arnold Schwarzenegger to pull them apart. Past experience with BD Ascension skins taught me to adjust the tail clip to make the skins tight.

What am I doing wrong? What should I do to make them stick?
 
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5 years 5 days ago - 5 years 5 days ago #234669 by mBraun
Replied by mBraun on topic New skins don't stick
Comment by Kamtron:

It's probably because it's cold that they don't stick. You may have got a little bit of powder on the glue; that messes them up. I don't use the skin savers at all any more.

My reply:

It was about 22-25 degrees F with no precipitation on the day I had a problem with my new BD Ascension skins. I hope temperature is not the problem because low to mid 20s is not that cold and it's much colder in Colorado and Utah. I acknowledge I probably did get some powder on the skins and brushed it off before folding them and putting them in my jacket. That seems to happen often to me and rarely results in failure to stick until at the end of the day. In the past I found that moving the tail clip to tighten the skin seemed to help.

I wonder if the width of the skis/skins is part of the problem. My other BD Ascenion skins were purchased in about 2003, 2009, and 2015 for ski waists of 75, 100, and 105. The 2 narrow skis/skins have virtually no problems. The 105 width skis/skins are the ones I've had some problems with. On the other hand, the day I had a problem making my new skins stick, my ski buddy had no problems with his G3 Alpinist skins purchased new in about 2016. (I hate him and his sticky skins!!!) His skis have a 118 waist. He does not use skin saver mesh when he folds them and puts them in his jacket. Kamtron said he doesn't use skin savers. Is the use of skin savers a problem for wide skis/skins?

The new BD Ascension skins are ordered to fit the ski length with tip and tail clips pre-installed at the factory. In accordance with the instructions, I trimmed the width of the skins to fit minus 2mm along each edge. For wide skis/skins, is it better to trim them 3 or 4 mm from each edge?
 
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5 years 4 days ago #234670 by MtnPavlas
Replied by MtnPavlas on topic New skins don't stick
I've read many positive and negative reviews about all different skins and glue types out there (except, can't think of a negative review about POMOCA skins ... but now that I said it, someone will post one, haha). That makes me think that all manufacturers will produce a faulty batch here and there, perhaps.
Just recently, I tried the iron-over-parchment-paper trick, and it renewed the glue on my BD skins in ways I wouldn't have thought was possible. I'd never done it before that so I searched the interweb, and watched a few helpful vids, then tried it myself, starting with medium heat, and increasing from there to (I think) between wool and cotton temperature. Dunno, might be worth a try. Or contact BD?

Most of the advice on the topic on your FB post seemed sound (put them in your jacket, use skin savers, try to keep snow off them, etc.) - I don't really baby my skins that much, but I do try my darnest to keep stuff off them (snow, debris, etc.). Other than that, I fold them in half, stick them in my pack, and down I go. It's even better, though, to use skin savers and keep them warm, I believe.

Good luck!

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5 years 4 days ago #234677 by Stefan
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I have ALWAYS had problems with the skins sticking.  ALWAYS.  I have just had to live with the tension of the skins on the skis as only the true default.

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5 years 4 days ago - 5 years 4 days ago #234679 by mBraun
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Based on comments so far, I should try very, very hard to keep the glue and skin savers dry, maybe forgo using skin savers on cold days, stick them inside of my jacket, and adjust the tail clip to tighten the skins as much as possible. Anything else?

I emailed BD 4 days ago. So far nothing but the sounds of silence. I'm reluctant to re-glue them since they are new and they do stick like crazy in a comfy, dry livingroom. And unfortunately the recommendations for POMOCA skins is a month too late for me.
 
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5 years 4 days ago #234680 by kamtron
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I mean it sounds like you didn't do anything wrong. My BDs stick like crazy even when covered in snow. Sounds like a bad batch or something weird with your bases.

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