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14 years 3 weeks ago #203694 by snowcanoe
TTS updates? Field tests, advice... was created by snowcanoe
Looking for more info from those that have used the TTSystem.  It would be most helpful if you could compare TTS to binding set-ups you've used in the past (i.e. torsional stability, activity, learning curve, new stance, rip-out, tip dive, etc.).

Also, anyone know which Dynafit toe pieces one needs to get a hold of (used) to utilize the conversion kit that Wasatch Ski offers?

Thanks.

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13 years 3 months ago - 13 years 3 months ago #206902 by Kneel Turner
Replied by Kneel Turner on topic Re: TTS updates? Field tests, advice...
Seems like there is some interest in reviving this thread (or lack thereof) based on the inquiries/comments in a "wtb dynafit toe pieces" post. There are probably a few more people here using, thinking of using, or have even tried it, who might be willing to share what they've learned.
I've demo-ed the ntn freeride, and haven't found it to be the sh*# for a few reasons including flex feel, weight, tourability, crampon compatibility, durability, lack of second heel riser, and commitment to the boot /binding setup.
With the Freedom, it sounds like they've improved some of those things, but it seems TTS could be a step beyond in all those ways plus a few more. What I'd really like to do is try the Freedom and TTS side by side, both up and down, but I'm not holding my breath until that opportunity presents itself.
A while back some guys were pushing the limits with an ntn front/tech heel system for a one boot, one binding, alpine/tele/ski/tour super combo, but gave up a reliable release with a locked heel (something I'm not willing to even try).  I haven't heard of anyone using the TTS for this, but it seems all the ingredients are there for a lightweight, free pivot tour, adjustable activity, releasable, telemark,A/T, w brakes, and a ski crampon option.  Holy crap!

So, lets talk...
-TTS vs. NTN Freedom
-Feel/ flex of TTS
-Catastrophic release (desired), or unwanted release (not desired) of TTS
-crampon compatibility of TTS
-things you like/dislike about both bindings (I'm only interested in the NTN Freedom)
-What do you guys think about the TTS as a one boot/one binding do it all possibility (both A/T and tele)?
-All other insights and impressions.

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13 years 3 months ago #206904 by mikerolfs
Replied by mikerolfs on topic Re: TTS updates? Field tests, advice...
I use the TTS and love it.  I released once and went down quicker than you would think possible.   I now ski with the toe locked in tour mode.  I'm sure that detracts from the releasable advantage, but pre-release is scary.  I have never come out in locked mode.  I'll be using the Freedom this winter on my lift access set-up because I'm concerned about the tech toe holding up to the abuse of the ski area, but all of my touring is now on the TTS.

One of the greatest advantages to both systems is no more duck-bill.  I love that.

I find getting in and out of the heel system to be finicky and less convenient than the traditional system that keeps the heel-throw on your boot for both tour and ski.  So far, this irritation hasn't detracted from my support of the system. 

Oh, one more thing,
I slightly botched the location of the heel riser and I have to place the heel-throw under a climbing bail to keep it down, so here is a tip:  Get the riser location right.  It needs to provide enough spring tension to keep your bail down.  It is interesting to note that the bail goes over your heel lug, not in the groove, since the groove has a tech fitting in it.

Finally, on the use of a tech heel;  I have a friend who set up a "franken-tele" system with an NTN front and a tech heel, so he could tele or AT on the same set-up.  It didn't work well.  When in tele mode, the flex of the ski would sometimes result in engaging the heel and holding it down.  This was IRRITATING.  The system got fooled with and fooled with and ultimately discarded.  This might have been a one-time failure, but it was bad enough to kill my desire to look into the combo option.

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13 years 3 months ago - 13 years 3 months ago #206905 by Kneel Turner
Replied by Kneel Turner on topic Re: TTS updates? Field tests, advice...
Mike,
If you don't mind me asking, how would you describe you and your skiing style, as far as aggressiveness, height, weight, preferred terrain?
TTS has testimonies describing concerns of prerelease, that were unfounded after use. Sounds like your experience was different. This is exactly the type of input I'm looking for.
Also, have you (or anyone) used the Freedom? If so, how would you compare it to the Freeride?
Initial reviews sound like it's better at touring, but still doesn't have free pivot and could stand more range of motion.  I'd be interested to know why NTN bindings don't have these features. Is there something about this binding design that prevents them from having full free pivot?
I've read reviews that claim the pivot resistance makes side stepping in tour mode easier (wtf?). Who wants a binding that gives up touring efficiency for better side stepping?!
Thanks.

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13 years 3 months ago #206861 by Marcus
Replied by Marcus on topic Re: TTS updates? Field tests, advice...
Surprised to hear you came out skiing, Mike. I've skied my TTS setup pretty hard, including crap-a-licious moguls at Crystal inbounds, with no pre-release.

Kneel, tele-skier (Frank) will give you a full rundown on the NTN tour mode. I've used it (the Freeride, not the Freedom) quite a bit and I only notice the resistance when breaking trail in deep snow. Compared to TTS, it's beastly heavy but more user friendly and less fiddly.

The way NTN achieves its tour mode and holds the boot in the binding means that the retention springs are "mostly unloaded" but still engaged enough to hold the boot to the ski/binding. Their current design makes increased ROM and decreased resistance hard to accomplish, apparently.

For my money, I'd love to try the Freedom. Not as light as the TTS, but the smooth release (and more importantly, maintaining that release while skinning up) would probably be worth it.

Still, TTS is pretty awesome, if you don't mind fiddling with it a bit to get it tuned in.

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13 years 3 months ago #206908 by Powderhino
Replied by Powderhino on topic Re: TTS updates? Field tests, advice...
My kit just arrived and will be mounting tonight. Any hot tips before I drill through the bottom and cross thread the barrels?

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